There’s a Karaoke bar down on 5th.
Let’s not fool ourselves the majority of people in GDKP’s were gold buyers.
Were they all gold buyers? No but the majority of the gold in GDKP was gold bought with real money. Sure you had people that made gold early in the game and then ran GDKP’s to make more gold.
But let’s not pretend that, that was the majority of people. Let’s also not pretend that those people who had ample amounts of gold were just hording it, let’s be real a lot of them were selling it for real money.
Now as I said NOT ALL but the majority.
Also let’s not fool ourselves if it wasn’t a problem would Blizzard of banned it? Let’s be honest the answer is no they wouldn’t of.
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yes, see if i someone is involved in something i actively have nothing but disdain for and hurts the game, i have no sympathy when they get bonked, whether it be by blizz or by mass reports
cry more about it, just not in a gdkp after the 8th or you’ll catch a ban, and we wouldn’t want that 
Blizzard have a long history of ‘soft changes’ and half measures to shut up vocal parts of the community. It’s quite telling when their primary reason for the ban is that is ‘erodes the traditional social structure of the game’ ahead of it’s effect on RMT demand.
Please be honest here, have you actually spent any kind of extended time in/around the GDKP community? I have, for the past few years actually. I am sure there is some variance based on region, but I have observed a lot of gold buying from a small percentage of the players. It very much is a matter of a very small number of whales, who are honestly very in the open about their activities, not getting banned and contributing to the ‘huge sale’ kind of stories you hear.
From my own conservative estimate, I’d estimate 5-10% of GDKP participants on my region actively buy gold.
You and many others may scoff at this, but keep in mind that a large amount of anti-gdkp vocal talking heads, especially here on this forum, don’t participate in these communities and never have. Their opinions are formed purely from hearsay, reddit posts and streamer clips.
straight up sociopath behaviour, “i don’t like it so i am glad people got wrongly banned ahahaha”
get help brother!
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straight up sociopath behaviour, “i don’t like it so i am glad people got wrongly banned ahahaha”
get help brother!
nobody cares. gdkp STILL banned on the 8th btw. and no amount of kicking and screaming from you guys will stop it 
GDKP falls under gear boosting services, and was never allowed to be advertised in LFG. A mage booster is also “forming a group”, but they’re not allowed to form via LFG either. GDKP players’ refusal to follow that rule is surely part of what got it banned in the first place.
You guys had no consideration at all for how your behavior has affected the game at large.
Fun fact, most people lie about cheating.
I factored this into my conservative estimate, friend.
It does erode the community as well though so Blizzard is right in that aspect as well. You get full BIS from 5mans you buy your pots and such, but uhoh you don’t have that down payment fee to join a pug. That’s not good for the game.
As far as the being around GDKP people? A friend of mine is into GDKP massively on retail trust me he tells me all about it the majority of the GDKP buyers buy gold. Now do I believe he is part of the problem for GDKP on retail well absolutely (But being honest retail has it’s own group of other problems).
The majority of people are anti-gdkp the GDKP people are the minority.
The “No trust me bro the minority is just really loud the majority love GDKP” is not true lol.
Yeah again, GDKP ads in LFG are against TOS and people are correct to report them.
For one, this is just not how it worked. In addition, GDKP is/was by far the minority system, you can find a PUG using a ‘normal’ loot system and carry on, unhindered.
The introduction of WoW token completely changed the GDKP / gold buying dynamic. Legitimizing buying gold opened it up as a safe option for participants.
prior to WOTLK classic wow tokens, gold buying was MUCH lower.
yes, absolutely, because it’s a minority loot system.
This also means that it’s very easy for misinformation and general bad faith discussion to spread without resistance, like you see a lot on these forums.
You and I both know very well that even GDKP advertisements in trade chat were mass reported too.
The distinction that PUGs using a GDKP loot system were actually classified as a ‘service’ by blizzard was not (and still isn’t) well known. It’s deliberately ambiguous, there are many threads with confusion and annoyance over this topic over the years.
I’d bet that if you asked a random player where they would expect to see a GDKP pug advertising, they would say LFG rather than trade chat…because it’s a PUG.
I would like to point out one key advantage to GDKP. The closer you become to bis, the harder your last pieces are to chase. Attendance is also another salty topic. What if I want/need a day off or work weird hours and most guilds don’t work for me? GDKP is a nice way of transferring my personal raid luck/attendance. Most people trashing GDKPs lack the skill to run them, not the gold.
Most everything being said about GDKPs is just false. Yes, the best GDKPs in the world only have whales in them, but the majority, the gold is just a metric. Sure there is always a few whales that swipe their cards, but when they attend they give us top dollar, and we usually bid them up anyhow.
I run lots of GDKPs but I also pug. As I approach close to BIS, I simply stop running. I’m also an elitist so I’m unlikely to join your no consumable, no world buff, roll as many times as you like run, and if I do and you wipe more than twice, I’m going to look real hard at the wipes and likely dip because you’re not worth my time. My skill is 1 shots, every time, on every toon, and I tend to deliver that. I don’t make excuses, and I don’t accept them of others. Most people at this skill level, won’t pug with you anyhow, unless of course we’re gearing up a fresh character but even then, it’s still absolute agony and I’m cutting my losses at some point (and likely farming the AH on my alternate account while you spend 2 minutes explaining every boss fight, which I don’t listen to because I do this raid 3-5 times per lockout).
Finally, attendance and performance fail to capture the value of an item in the same manner as GDKP. Want to see what an item is truly worth? Join a GDKP. All of a sudden loot hoes don’t want to spend gold on side grades, it the funniest thing. And certain items week 1, aren’t as valuable as certain items week 12. But some items, such as neltharion’s tear and skull of gul’dan, never lose their value. GDKPs aren’t perfect, but they’re 10x better than many current options and have their purpose.
So maybe what we need is an in game currency for kill bosses, and the ability to go into debt with this currency. That way during p1 week 1 molten core, TOEP actually goes for what it’s worth and no one feels salty. I don’t know how you assign value to a currency like this, maybe make it a badge of justice style system but tradeable. Wow has evolved, it needs a better system in game to reflect reality and gold is the best thing we got atm. Banning GDKPs ruins the game and btw, bots are much easier to detect than you think. Go watch Azmongold’s stream. How are players better at detecting bots than Blizzard? Botanica was a hugely popular gold farm. Certain activities aren’t done by players and when they are their rates of success and consistency are different from bots. When those activities are done by players, they have certain behaviors, blimps, that bots lack. Blizzard has been incredibly lazy, likely because they were monetizing gold farms to supplement their incomes.
Finally, if blizzard really wanted to fix their economy, they would increase the crafting speed, reduce the mat cost, increase the nodes generated and the quantity of items looted from the node system, because those are all the activities blizzard attempt to avoid by gold buying in the first place. Simply put, if you could max your professions and have all the consumables you need to raid for 30 hours a week, you wouldn’t need to buy gold.
GDKPs aren’t the problem, they’re the symptom. Blizzard is simply being lazy in their solution.
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No I don’t know that actually. That is where you’re supposed to do that stuff (til the 8th). Any mass report would result in review and it’d be clear as day that it wasn’t a legitimate flag.
You were talking about advertising in LFG, so you clearly weren’t following the rule anyway.
This is how it works in a lot of cases now, you need to show you have gold or be a buyer to be able to join.
The WoW token made a legitimate way to buy gold. You can however buy more gold for less than a WoW token is worth. WoW token just made a way to buy gold that’s not against the TOS.
The people for GDKP is minor but it’s been so prominent in the community that it had become the majority of pugs.
You see far more GDKP’s than normal pugs.
so literally just an admission GDKPS are an avenue for whales to spread gold around. 10/10 great argument
Begun, the GDKP shadow wars have.
You’re cherry picking. There is usually 1-3 whales per run who use credit cards, but the majority of time it’s just friends.
5-10% (lol) openly buying gold and 100% of them stuffing their pockets with bought gold they wouldn’t otherwise be able to access without buying it themselves.
Fun fact, I saw an Elixir of Giants recipe being sold for 1500g today. Can’t even use it for two phases smh
It’s strange, this particular distinction has quite literally never been a problem in classic until SOD.
Every version of the game on the Arugal realm (OCE biggest mega realm) has happily accepted GDKP as a PUG loot system in LFG. I’ve never, not a single time, heard of anyone catching a mute or ban for daring to advertise their PUG in the LFG channel.
I do wonder what it is about SoD specifically that has suddenly stirred up this issue.