Someone explain me how Ret is "mid" C tier?

Right. I enjoyed the proc heavy nature of Fire and the damage you got in turn from playing a reactive class, i still preferred Frost.

But it was definitely a very heavy handed nerf lol. The buffs back to its AoE dmg didn’t really do anything either besides put them slightly above the average tank :sweat_smile:

Oh, ok. So maybe the raid dps meters will be better for ret.

What’s hurting destruction ATM most is its AOE damage and ST are pretty low to the other two with the same exact utility.

Ret does have DMG though.

I love my ret could care more about rankings but I’ll care less xD simply cause the simplicity in its kit (ret) is so god damn refreshing to play with, just go in with reckless abandon and embrace the holy unga bunga!!!

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LOL!! So true and It’s so sad. I wonder how long Fire Mages will sit and rot until Blizzard buffs them. Just like Affli Warlock, how long did that sit for? 9 months? Craziness

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They fixed a bug where your hammer of light no longer can be casted again after gaining more holy power…
Pretty sure it says on the tip: “activating hammer of light for 8 seconds”, but no it was just one time use which is HUGE L
Paladin sux in years , people just play it because its safe pick

Oh yeah, Aug makes everyone look bad lol.

I was just saying they have 3 tools. Cleanse luckily doesn’t force out any major modifiers, but it’s still not as much as other classes offer.

Then you got classes like Destro who have amazing utility… but lack damage. Diff boat, same overall problem.

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Hopefully not as long. Idk why they let Aff sit down for so long.

But only time will tell. I figure after S1, if Fire is still doing bad, they’ll give it a little more love. Slowly bringing it up to a decent pick atleast.

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Yeah it’s pretty bad tuning if a complete DMG buff to destruction still has it the lowest spec…the one lock spec based on power over anything even to its own safety in lore.

Guess we get so much power we have fried ourselves lol.

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All those years summoning Chaos Bolts finally did a number on us xD

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That’s just a personal opinion lol. That BM should not be above “B” tier. If you have a personal dislike for it, that’s fine. But don’t act like your opinion is everyone’s.

Right? I still remember Kil’Jeaden Cunning in 5.2 Casting Chaos bolt while running was broken.

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ret aoe is very good but single target is average to below average so idk what is expected here lol. and their util is quite garbage considering to get that util u have to spec them out of other more useful stuff.

meanwhile some other classes just straight up have 45 sec cd aoe stuns built into their base.

so yea. c tier

and these tier lists literally dont matter if u only engage in the easiest early tiers of content like +2’s.

the lists are for the upper echelon of players. those players dont come to these forums.

You sound like a BM main? No sympathy for a class (Spec) that does less than 20% of their AI pet dmg in PvE or PvP.

Oh I miss this so much. One of very few times that I spent more time on another class than Warrior xD

Yeah that was when even Swifty did videos about how warlock were busted in MoP.

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I actually play both BM and Marks, thank you very much. Depends on my mood and the content.

If all you have is insults, that’s petty sad. That includes implied insults. Did you not like that I told you your opinion isn’t everyone’s or something?

I havn’t insulted. You’re insulted however. That’s not my problem.

I’m not, actually. I’m laughing. So have fun trolling, I’m going to bed.

Hard to believe some individuals still don’t know the meaning of trolling in 2024.