Why blizzard is making night elves weak?
Why blizzard is making undead(forsaken) overtuned?
Why blizzard is afraid to make big moves? for example, aliance barely won 4th war
Why blizzard is putting orcs away from the horde make them irrelevant? example, saurfang, lack of relevant orcs
Why blizzard can’t make new relevant characters? they killed arthas,kael,illidan,garrosh,grommash and never made characters like these again
What is happening to wow lore?
These are all pretty spicy topics so I’ll try to answer them as neutral as possible without rustling any jimmies.
This is a pretty controversial one, BUT Night Elves have been progressively defanged since Cata, and one could argue before that. Their induction into the Alliance has forced them to become a more passive and Druidic culture to fit the ‘nice guy/good guy’ theme of the Alliance as opposed to their previous depictions from WC3 that most NE fans fell in love with.
I’m assuming you mean ‘changing’ their story when you say overtuned but I think the nature of the way the Forsaken exist requires a lot of changes and alterations to their story to continue to keep them relevant as a race. As we saw with Sylvanas, she was trying to continue the legacy of the Forsaken by raising via Val’kyr, but that is a very taboo subject for a lot of other races (and even some Forsaken) so that wasn’t really a long-term option for them. I think they have a fine balance of preserving Forsaken identity but also giving them more lore that isn’t controversial so it can be a bit of a tough tale to tell without upsetting some of their OG fans.
The story exists within the confines of a game that has a divided player base. While it would be more satisfying story-wise to have large conclusions, the story usually is almost always second-fiddle to gameplay so Blizzard isn’t really in a position to give large ‘wins’ to either side. We saw how Teldrassil panned out afterall.
One could say this about the Horde in general. Getting rid of four racial leaders within the span of a few expansions while not really filling the gaps is/was a big mistake. We do see some up-and-coming ‘replacements’ but Blizzard really doesn’t tell the story well enough to get us invested in the new ones.
I think this goes back to the previous question. They relied on old characters with lots of lore and backstory but have been killing them off without filling in the gaps. The current format of WoW story-telling just doesn’t allow us to get to know characters at the same capacity anymore and even the stuff we do get is shared in novels or short stories OUTSIDE of the game. It’s a shame they can’t give us more reliable narratives and character development within the confines of the game itself.
This fire has been burnin’ for a long time.
They aren’t. No losses in story ever actually matter. The story would be much different if they were. Also not sure how the undead are getting ‘overtuned’. Maybe could make an argument for that when Sylvanas was chief but while they’re not Night Elf or Orc kicked-in-the-teeth, Forsaken lost their capital and their founding leader was an omnicidal traitor who murdered a venerated veteran.
Status Quo is god and it’s about how much melodrama you can milk out of it. Think soap opera.
Their only thoughts about how to make story for orcs are either blind murdering rage or getting their teeth kicked in.
They react too much to the playerbase’s negativity without actually listening much to the playerbase’s suggestions. This usually leads to them trying to make corrections that don’t address anything and make the characters more boring.
That said, Bwonsamdi and Thalyssra (universal like), Khadgar (who I personally am not fond of, but a lot of players are) and Anduin/Jaina (not favorites around here, but popular elsewhere) are basically creations of the more recent writing team as far as how we think of them, so they’re not totally missing on this point.
The big problem was motivation, they committed a drastic action and lacked motivation to know what was happening.
Teldrasil was not necessarily something wrong, the problem is that this maneuver of this magnitude was too drastic, a big war in ashenvale where supposedly the night elves would lose in that certain circumstance would be enough.
The mistake is that blizzard never does anything in the sense of war and when it does it suddenly burns teldrasil.
Teldrasil explains much of current wow lore, those responsible for lore are afraid to make actions of consequence with plausible narrative.
They’re not? Okay, so the Night Elves got beaten quite a bit, sure, but they remain one of the strongest factions within the Alliance, able to route the Horde from Darkshore and reclaim most of their territory in Ashenvale despite not having support from the rest of the Alliance (they only had military support from Gilneas)
Not sure what this means, but I really don’t see them as being ‘overtuned’ with respect to their story. If anything the Forsaken face an extremely uncertain future, as now they do not have any means to maintain their population, as the creation of new forsaken was handled by the Valkyr who are no longer assisting the Forsaken at all.
This is just factually wrong, as the Alliance managed to secure most of the victories in the Fourth War, much to the chagrin of Horde players. The Battle for Darkshore and the Battle for Arathi were both won by the Alliance canonically, and obviously there was the Siege of Dazar’alor which was also effectively won by the Alliance as their strategic goals were met.
Thrall literally played a key role in Shadowlands. Last I checked he’s an Orc, probably one of the most famous Orcs.
I know that, what i meant is conclusion. Blizzard barely made this conclusion.
They had the Champion sent by Anduin who’s basically worth the entire Alliance Army or a good chunk of it. So despite what Tyrande and the Night Elf Victim Brigade maintain, he did not leave them with exactly nothing. And it’s not like the Champion had no value on the Kul-Tiran/Zandalari front. When Greymane declared his intention to go with his forces with Tyrande, Anduin gave not even a word to stop him but to beg him to be careful, hardly the actions of a “Blue War-Chief”.
I think the main issue with the Tyrande situation during 8.1 is that the story framed it as her being in the wrong for what she was doing. Certainly there was enough of that tone present that many people claimed she had made the wrong choice and wasn’t being reasonable. This thread carried throughout BfA and then into Shadowlands, where what the writers wanted us to feel was all but used to beat us over the head. At the same time, we were confronted with increasingly ‘wow how terrible’ things to be vengeful about.
I can only assume it was the result of a lack of communication and a constant tug of war in the writing staff.
Definitely, and I think that goes back to the format of the game and how the story is told. Everything always feels rushed but also somehow not enough time to tell the story they are trying to tell. Teldrassil was a publicity stunt for subs, and the story really had to take a back seat to make it an actual logical decision from a Horde PoV. They’re still cleaning up the mess on both sides of the spectrum.
Nah, I don’t think we honestly count in that respect. Sure we ‘champions’ were there, but in a war zone like Darkshore? We wouldn’t have been able to turn the tide that easily.
I think most of the work was done by the Night Elves, with them having Gilnean support. Which shows me that the Night Elves are still one of the strongest racial factions in Warcraft history.
We did actually in both the individual stories and collectively as the Champion. That’s what you do when you do those quests. You actually are that much of an asset.
If they weren’t afraid before, they probably are now. Fan reactions to BfA’s faction war were so overwhelmingly negative it’s no surprise it ended with a whimper.
See your previous questions.
If a Night Elf gets a boo-boo or an ouchie, you hear lamentations such as :
And if the Forsaken are trying to crawl out of the shadow of Sylvanas and make their own course, you hear griping such as :
Thrall and Draka were big wigs in Shadowlands. Saurfang and Thrall were drivers in BfA.
Khadgar goes all the way back to Warcraft 2, and Jaina back to Warcraft 3. Both before WoW was a thing.
I agree with everything else you said.
Thats a bad statement.
Its perfectly possible to make teldrasil event but not make night elves defenseless.
I think we got different meanings for “big”, maybe just semantic.
Draka just gave the impression of being in maldraxus, she was just there, what did she do?
She was introduced by rescuing you and running away.
She didn’t protect anyone.
She didn’t beat anyone relevant in a match.
She gave orders along with a group.
She didn’t even avenge Krexus, Xandria did it.
She only ceased to be relevant as well as had a poorly effected presence.
To be fair, her training with Akarek going from being a weak warrior to building on her strengths by becoming a rogue was well done. But thats all, it ends there.
With rare exceptions, the story rarely frames anyone as being clearly in the “right” or “wrong”.
Anduin may wanted more patience but he doesn’t condemm or criticise her nor does he say anything to Greymane when he declares his intentions. Although oddly enough he himself is not depicted in any way as actually being in Darkshore, but his worgen are.