This won’t solve the bot problem.
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If these solutions about - Stop selling tokens to buy monthly fees, facilitate professions to make items faster (example, just one herb making 5 ~ 10 items) or even the most drastic, which would be to end AH or Gold…does not help to solve the bot problem…
There is only one solution left: we will learn how to use bots and blizzard should no longer ban bots but rather help all players to have bot mechanics.
an example of this: a garrisson that does everything. With orc peons collecting herbs, ores and pieces, but at the same speed as player bots.
So there would be only what the game should have: dungeons, raids, pvp.
“But what about bots that sell carry for real money” - there would be those left and I think having just those to track, MAYBE blizzard will be able to do something.
It doesn’t. The bots won’t go if they can’t pay with gold, the profit they make from botting in the first place allows them to buy new account whenever they are banned. Not even taking into account the mom’s credit card kids who gets their accounts and credit card info stolen and used to bot with.
If anything, those buying gold with the tokens would be left without a source of gold and turn to the botters, increasing the money they’re making.
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But what would they buy gold for?
If there is no more token for the monthly fee - If professions are facilitated by a factor of 1000% +… - If the mounts of the game go down in price to something less than 5k gold …
What would Gold be for?
If they create a garisson, as I mentioned above, with workers (orcs, trolls, etc.) collecting materials at high speed for the creation of enchantments, equipment and food …(with high speed compared to bots).
(and this garrison idea connects with the idea of having 100+ options for choosing locations across Azeroth to create our garrison - and having the possibility of having a guild garrison)
Gold would become irrelevant and the mechanics of the game would become the focus again.
There would be 1 type of problem left, which are the pvp and pve carrys … but that we would solve later.
Yes getting rid of bots would be great, then I can sell my mats for wayyy more. Darn bots are always over supplying and driving costs down.
I’ve never understood the herbing bots. Who’s buying all these herbs? CE guilds run their own operations I’m sure. So where do all the herbs go?
I disagree.
Gold has always been important to some degree. Buying talents. Buying flying. Buying flying on multiple characters. Things they sell for gold like mounts. The AH.
Now gold can be used for game time, which creates a demand for tokens. If I want to buy gold, blizz needs someone to buy the token for game time (or bnet balance if I am not mistaken). Basic supply and demand at work here.
Actually, it will increase their demand because then players have only one avenue to buy gold: the botters and hackers.
Botters can still get gold without the token and then turn around and sell the gold for real money. Bad people can also steal accounts and drain the gold from the people they sold gold to, but that’s a different story.
Yes, I’ve seen advertisements for services that break the EULA on YouTube, but Blizz cant police everything outside of their game.
Sure if someone is recording on twitch and they’re boosting and someone sends a clip to Blizz, they can see who it is and their character and then confirm via their logs before acting on it.
What are they going to do with a random website? Hack it and trace it? Then they are the hackers. So no they cant figure out who is buying gold and who is selling gold via some random website as far as I can see.
Then professions are useless outside of personal use. Botters would still use gathering bots though because they dont have to put any effort into it.
Do they though?
What about outside of raid?
Get rid of the in-store boosts. A botter would have to level their bot in order to start making gold. It would also force players to go out to the open world to level. The more players out there, the more bots get reported. Bliz would have to have a team that would investigate the reports and kill the botters accounts.
Of course, the botters will find ways around this, but it would make their lives as difficult as possible.
But, bliz wouldn’t do this: It would cost them money.
The token isn’t the problem. People are still buying gold from botters instead of the token. That’s the problem. Blizzard either needs to give so much gold with a token that risking your account and credit card to buy from bots is a dumb idea or remove gold. If you take gold out of the equation you hurt all the people that like playing the economy or professions but you will guarantee an end to bots.
But no gold in WoW ain’t realistic. So the next best thing is to track bot accounts and only ban the people that buy gold. Let the bots keep making gold and selling it black market until no one wants to risk their account by buying illegal gold. And yes I mean instant and permanent account bans for the battlenet that bought gold.
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No reason to if it’s cheap enough to outsource.
What in the world would be the point of removing gold-bought game time? How does this logic out?
- I need gold to pay for my subscription, because I don’t want to pay cash
- I will pay cash to a gold-selling botfarm for gold, so that I can buy a token with that gold instead
- Gold that I paid cash for
- To avoid paying cash
- …profit?
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By golly you’re right! The bots never existed before the boost.
This is a brilliant solution.
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there’s no reason to read any further because your idea stopped at “remove tokens”
LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL gasp
do you seriously think blizzard would ever remove that cash cow? come on.
this.
if they really wanted to combat bots, they’d change the stranglehold alchemey has on raiding and m+. Drastically reduce the amount of mats it takes to make flasks/pots of all kinds.
a JC uses very few mats to make a single gem, which sells for 30 gold and stays with the buyer until they replace the item.
an alchemist uses a ton of mats to make a single pot which sells for 180 gold each, is consumed on use and you sometimes needs 2 stacks of on a progression wipe night.
THAT is why you have so many herb bots.
want to combat the bots? fix the professions.
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I agree that if herbs per potion/flask are reduced then the usefulness of the bots also gets reduced.
Other than that, a lot of solutions to curb boring outside of that, or any potential software, would be making the automated process for bots harder. Adding extra steps, randomizing locations, things like that. Problem is people are extremely lazy or like their simplistic profession gathering so the change is more unlikely to happen.
More annoying processes like making herbs take 5 seconds to gather BUT give substantially more would help real players by having bots not made for combat stuck in combat with mobs interrupting them. Of course this runs into the same issue as people would rather gather 5 herb nodes in 5 seconds over 1 herb node in 5 seconds with adjusted values.
You will never get rid of bots. There will always be a demand for mats/gold.
The best they can do is keep up with the arms race.
The only true way to get rid of bots is for the players to stop utilizing their services. And that is not going to happen.
I actually thought the periodic mob spawns in Legion were a good idea. A little quick combat (or running around after a fox) after harvesting a node would get you a large drop of materials, frequent enough to add a decent percent to your daily haul, but random enough that bots probably couldn’t be programmed to respond to them. Bringing that back might be a good way to give real players an edge over bots in the gathering professions.
People would just start buying gold from those hacker sites.
I guess they like high pop realms. Haven’t seen any since Legion on the realms I play on.
It started with the multiboxers, now they aren’t the “problem” and it’s a bot problem. This is just like when people claimed twinks were ruining battlegrounds, they killed twinks and people still claimed twinks were killing them when they weren’t even in the battlegrounds.
I guess there always has to be a boogeyman.
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It was the mass team boxers that were causing probs. Not the average 2, or 3 toon multiboxers. Those multiboxers that were running 10, or 20 character teams basically doing what bots do. They are the reason why Blizz had to ban the software they were using. Bot hackers don’t need multiboxing software, and never did.
Removing token would increase bots. Not lower them.