My full furious ret pally is still paper compared to raiders. Resil isn’t the problem.
Have you played vanilla before? Warriors use basically every piece of ranking gear in pve until they replace it in aq…
Absolutely untrue. Lionheart Helm, SGC, Flameguard Gauntlets (or Edgemaster’s depending on race/faction), Chromatic Boots, and arguably Drake Talon Pauldrons.
It’s basically the weapons, Shoulders, and legs.
Now if your argument is you CAN use it. Sure. Anyone can use anything. But it’s not BIS.
Warriors are probably the class that can use the most pvp gear in pve.
Ignoring the weapons which are basically bis for everyone until neff / AQ40.
Hunter gloves are good.
Rogue legs are good.
Hunters / rogues can prob also wear 2pc blue for a while with the set bonus.
Healing gear is mostly better from dungeons / early raids.
I think the dps caster gear is like equivalent or a bit worse than tier set.
Really only warriors can wear all their pvp gear in pve and be somewhat okay.
2 piece blue pvp set was actually pretty solid for shadow priests depending on the pieces used. Since you got a 23 spell power set bonus. If you were a tailor though during ZG era it was better to use the crafted though.
Nah feedback is fine and plenty of it is out there, what’s happening here is just plain jane crying and malding.
unless you have a more apt term for why you show up in every SoD thread to cry about SoD despite apparently not caring/never playing it?
I understand this, expectations can be hard when they are not met. Though I would say that all hope for a new Vanilla season that is closer to what you and others may want may not entirely be off the table, but it just isn’t the thing right now.
I mean sure, if you want to argue over a miniscule amount of stats and the RNG required to get said items in a world where not everyone gets full bis because 40 man loot scarcity then yeah chromatic boots are better than generals plate boots by a whopping 2 str and 8 agi.
Warlords shoulders have 1% hit whereas DTP do not. Gloves you get 14 more ap from SGC (less than 14 when you have zg/kings).
So yeah man sure thing, untrue in a world where you have full ultimate bis. They’re 2nd bis in some slots. And by such a small margin that they’re barely an upgrade in most cases. Plus 2 set blue gear you get the 40 ap bonus.
You’re a clown if you think this gear is bad for pve. Keep looking at the bis list and repeating what you’ve read from a Wowhead guide though.
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And yet most classes gain benefit from certain pieces, as you said yourself. The PvP gear is good for pve. Weapons are insane for basically every single class along with the few pieces you yourself stated. Not to mention rep rewards on-top of those, AV rings, offhands, the shield.
Plus the PvP sets will be better during SoD for even more classes and specs.
PvP gear is good in both PvP And pve in vanilla and it should remain this way. If you don’t want to PvP you don’t have to. If you want to pvp you can and you can get great rewards for it that will help you in all aspects of the game and vice versa for raiding.
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I believe that it truly is possible.
I’ll admit that I thought I might get some of that from Classic release. How very wrong I was.
But I have experienced it again with hardcore. Mainly from my own perspective on the game. The world may not be more dangerous, but if feels more dangerous because the stakes are higher.
Because of this I am paying more attention to the world and what is in it and I have found locations I’ve not seen before and indeed done quests I have absolutely no memory of.
I think a Classic+ done right (huge caveat) would 100% bring back this feeling. I even think a Classic+ done wrong (wrong in the opinion of the individual) would also have this chance. There is just something special about the vanilla world and design, the impactful combat and skill usage, the feeling of an imperfect, living world.
You remember things better from your 20s than when you were in diapers, which most of the zoomers playing Classic were when original Vanilla released.
But those miniscule numbers do add up. There are clear differences in gear and that does matter. That’s literally what this discussion over gear is about. Anyone can wear gear that is suboptimal, that is their choice based on a lot of factors. That’s the point.
I did say the shoulders were arguable, it’s whether you value the hit or the stats. It’s a personal preference. And SGC is the chest, not the gloves.
The comparisons:
PVP gloves are 20 str and 1% crit, Flamegaurds are 54 AP and 1% crit. 14 more AP, and kings only bridges 4.
PVP chest is 16 str, 14 agi, 1% crit, SGC is 13 str, 14 agi, 2% crit. Trading 3 str for 1% crit.
The point is that while the High Warlord/Grand Marshall plate gear IS strong, it is not BIS and not the only options either. You can wear it. It is good. It is not the end all be all.
Sure, there are a variety of considerations. But let’s not act like the PVP gear is the only option or even the best option. There’s a lot of variety in gear. And that’s the point.
Did not make that argument. You need to calm down, you’re being pretty belligerent to just about everyone here.
I played a warrior and raided through all of Classic vanilla with warriors that wanted to maximize their stats. Has nothing to do with reading a bis list. You’re not the only person who played original vanilla and wow classic.
And you also tend to fabricate memories, misremember things, and combine memories from different periods too. It’s the reason why eye witnesses are extremely unreliable.
And yet I said warriors can use PvP gear and it’s good in PvP and you came back and said “REE, PvP gear is not bis there are 3 items that are miniscule upgrades you should not use PvP gear for pve!!!”
You read a Wowhead bis list. And now you’re arguing that PvP gear isn’t bis, with someone who never said it was bis. PvP gear is good for pve in vanilla, which was my original point. If you care about 8 attack power that much that you wouldn’t even equip the non bis variant then good for you, but you’re wrong.
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Sure does read as if you’re saying that the PVP gear there is BIS until AQ, otherwise why even bother with that bit about AQ? Also you were being pretty abrasive even then, suggesting people that disagree with you didn’t play vanilla.
I read what my warrior is wearing. And you literally have the lionheart helm on in your characters 3d picture on the forums. Seriously? Because I can’t possibly have remembered the gear from that long ago? Not like I didn’t run BRD arena about a thousand times for SGC for my guildies. Couldn’t be that.
But you did heavily imply it. And I even left in that caveat in my post. That you subsequently ignored because you want to argue.
If I had the BIS version I would equip it over the other. I like how the literal hardest thing to achieve in classic wow, PVP rank, is somehow an easier or better source of gear than the raid gear. Don’t know what server you were on, but who did and did not rank was often not up to the player, it was up to the Honor Cartels.
Can you show me exactly where I said it was bis? I never said it was bis at all. Youre basically arguing with me about something I didn’t say because of what your Wowhead list says.
I said warriors use it. Because they do. Chromatic boots are rare and you get 1 per warrior every time it drops. You also need to share loot between players. You do not get every single bis item that drops. And before you do what do you use?
Nah apparently the PvP gear isn’t bis so warriors don’t use it. According to you anyway. Sounds like you wouldn’t equip it at all and would never use it. Do you just wear leveling greens until you get your ultimate bis pieces?
No you definitely implied it. Please don’t get mad at me. I clearly care so much about your opinion.
Well you’re going on ignore and getting spam reported. I hope you enjoy being a miserable and very rude individual. Have a nice day.
You’re arguing with me about something because you think I implied something that literally nowhere indicates that I actually did.
I said warriors use PvP gear in pve. Then you started ranting about your Wowhead bis list and how noone in their right mind would equip their second bis because it’s not their ultimate bis despite being such a tiny fraction of an upgrade.
Go ahead, spam report me, I couldn’t care less tbh. You keep spamming your Wowhead bis lists and screeching at people because what you think they implied because you lack the ability to read.
Go ahead and show me where I said that please.
I thought you were ignoring me Wowhead bis list enjoyer?
So then I didn’t say then. Glad we cleared that up. You are now on ignore. I would try and stop harassing people on the forums and breaking CoC. It’s a much healthier place when you don’t.
I literally just linked where you said warriors don’t use PvP gear in pve
Stay mad Wowhead bis list enjoyer.