Assuming this is a legitimate thread (and my finger is hovering over that X key to doubt while typing) your child has always been able to use whatever pronoun is preferred. The social contract didn’t enable people to start using their preferred pronouns, players have always been able to do that. Furthermore, the social contract is just reiterating in a more digestible fashion what’s in the ToS, it’s not something new.
However, just because one can use what pronouns are preferred doesn’t mean that they should unless they want to subject themselves to the jerks of the universe. The social contract doesn’t stop someone from harassing you, it only allows for punishment after the fact once you’ve been harassesd. So OP, if your child wants to risk it, then go for it. But Blizz can’t prevent harassment, they can only punish those who harass you. So your child is still going to risk that level of toxicity if they openly talk about their pronouns to other players. It sucks that this is the world we live in, but there it is. Hopefully one day we’ll as humans be able to be better to one another.
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All you can do is report people who harass you.
The internet is often a cruel place, social contracts and ToS and all that stuff isn’t going to stop or fix that kind of behavior.
I highly recommend not giving out any personal information to complete strangers for anyone and everyone. People get creepy and weird when they are anonymous.
We need to be teaching kids to stop freely sharing their lives with total strangers, it’s not safe and potentially bad for their mental health as well.
It’s not, this OP has already revealed themselves as the latest of the “T” troll posters.
The plague continues until Blizzard starts actually moderating their forums.
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Yep, I’ve seen their other threads and the one currently where they’re having a go at you in that call out thread against the “T” troll posters. I really made the above post for anyone who reads it who is actually wondering or is confused. Really wish Blizz would get off their rumps and deal with these troll posters. The longer this goes on the more convinced I am that they’re really a Blizz employee having a go at us and that’s the real reason they haven’t been banned lol.
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I’m really confused by all the "x"s that are in your post O_o
Can your child use preferred pronouns in game?
Yes, just like anyone else can use theirs. I know it’s a part of your child’s identity, but folks can get weird and I wouldn’t recommend sharing personal info unless the person is trusted or it’s relevant.
Can your child get banned for explaining it?
No, if they’re civil and within guidelines.
Yes, if they break ToS/CoC while explaining. What I mean by this is the delivery; insults, anger, profanity will earn a silence or suspension, just like if anyone else did the same.
Additionally, something you might not know about the way harassment is treated with Blizz is that if your child gets a whisper that is harassing them, they should not respond at all! Put the player on ignore, and move on. Blizzard would view a response to a whisper as a conversation, which makes it far harder to prove harassment.
One more thing regarding reports - a report doesn’t carry an account penalty if there were no rules broken. The worst that can happen is what’s called a squelch, which is a temporary silence that lasts until a Game Master looks, and they either uphold it or overturn it. It’s in place to prevent spammers from spamming, and has been in the game for quite a while. If is overturned, no account penalties will be applied to the recipient, but there can be consequences for false reports.
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Well we can see how that turned out.
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I believe it covers, hows you say, “do nots be a knob?”
Or, in your case, give the most negative take possible for all forum threads you join.
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My question is why and in what context would you be using your pronouns? Because when you think about it him/her/them/xer are all things you would use in the context of talking about someone else correct? Why would your child be talking about themselves in the third person and to what purpose? Also much like Canadian law will the social contract punish someone for not using there preferred pronoun in the case of speaking about someone else? If so would that not be punishing someone for either a mistake or ignorance? Can this be abused by said pronoun holder on people they don’t like? Example your in a dungeon group and go by pronouns xer/them and play a character that is on appearance a male toon and someone in the group says “hey dude mind standing here so you don’t get hit by the knockback?” can the pronoun holder them report them for violating the social contract because they could write a report saying ‘this player intentionally refused to use my prefered pronouns’ and get that player banned?
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Most pronouns are designed for use by others in reference to oneself, with “I”, “me”, “mine” (etc) beings the exceptions. In proper English, nobody should be referring to themselves in third person (example: “he/him/his”, “she/her/hers”, “xhe/xer/etc”).
If there is a reasonable, civil disagreement in what pronouns to use, I’d suggest resorting to just using the character name instead of pronouns. It’s unreasonable to expect punitive measures against folks who choose not to use pronouns which don’t match at least one of the two existing biological genders. So long as the choice not to use preferred pronouns is done respectfully (such as opting to use the character name instead), it cannot be considered harassment.
Only when the matter turns into legitimate harassment can the Social Contract be used to justly exact punitive measures. I’d also suggest caution to not harass others into using one’s preferred pronouns.
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Though I appreciate the explanation it still would not stop abuse look at my example the player involved asked a question and used ‘dude’ can the pronoun holder then say that was harassment? We all know that Blizz doesn’t have the staff anymore to GM go through the context of each chat log ticket and will likely take the comment reported on at face value and take the accusation from the reporter at face value and punish the supposed offender. Part of this is I don’t trust Blizz to handle a topic that many hold so strongly and not mess it up and that boils down to just seeing how they handle there games and how…lets say unwell so many things are implemented these days by them.
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In your example I find that highly unlikely, and that just sounds like baseless fear-mongering to me.
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Was it you who started the thread about how your kid wanted more LGBTQ representation in the game?
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Fear mongering would imply fear I’m just asking questions that no one seems to be thinking about. There seems to be alot of ‘come on guys its Blizz they won’t screw it up’ and that is summed up in the part of my post immediately after that quote that you ignored.
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No we thought about them but we were all told that any questioning of the SC was done by people who don’t know how to be a “Decent Human Being” so we just stopped.
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“No one”? Half of this forums hot takes about the social contract has been “blizz will ban me for existing and I wont’ stand for it”. It’s 100% fear mongering and outrage trolling, especially since most of the people complaining haven’t even bothered reading what they’re complaining about.
Yes the part where you somehow make the connection that Blizzard has made some poor game design choices and will therefore ban you because something something gay agenda.
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You know how I know this is completely false? Even before the social contract came to be, you’d have countless threads demanding action against a certain player. It’s amazing how many come here when they don’t get their way. Not every report is actioned in the slightest, nothing really has changed.
What you deem offensive or terrible is not always the way the world, or Blizzard sees it. All the contract added was more bait for terrible threads.
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Stop making these threads. Obvious troll.
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