What?
Tell me more about how you dont understand how a gdkp works without telling me you dont understand how a gdkp works.
I get why that orc spams that axe emote now.
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as said so many times in each forum post against GDKP blizz has no problems with GDKPs and they wont ban a loot system a majority of players enjoy
RMT has always been a problem long before classic made GDKPs very popular
so blizz isnt going to ban GDKPs and upset the players that enjoy it.
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Yeah well I donât really care about what Blizz has previously said because just recently the same blizz you talk about has introduced the Social Contract, which is being applied to Classic as well. You have to agree to it or you canât play the game when Wrath launches.
So look up the Social Contract and read it to itâs full and tell me that GDKPs by nature do not violate the Social Contract in multiple different ways. I foresee players who run GDKPs being vulnerable to right click reports of violations of Social Contract. The contract speaks for itself and GDKP will not be welcome by those not greatly benefiting from it. I advise other players to report GDKP runners for violating the contract in the multiple various ways that it excludes players from enjoying in celebrating any kind of success other than filling the wallets of a few players.
There is nothing about GDKPs that encourage players to help each other be successful as a team, unless you pay them gold.
âPlay as a team with your fellow players - whether in dungeons, raids, battlegrounds, arenas, or out questing in the world. Do your best to support your team through your communication and behaviors so that you can all celebrate your success together.â
Please elaborate to me as a geared player who has no gold how I can celebrate my success together with a group of players that doesnât want to play as a team with me because Iâm not buying items that drop. They only have room for people in greens and blues that will buy lots of items and do nothing in the raid.
To be honest, GDKP needs to be banned and the players that enjoy that kind of life should be banned too if they keep trying to breathe life into RMT just by existing. It does nothing but promote toxic environments, which blizzard says they are trying to do something about.
GDKP is easily listed as a disruptive behavior and only those that are amassing lots of gold from these GDKPs are defending the ability to continue doing so.
Please show me the receipts for where all the gold came from for these 50,000 gold glaives. Show me where the gold came from for the legendary bow that was GDKP bid out to a warrior for 1,000,000 gold. GDKP does nothing but put up another barrier for players to jump over to enter into raids and get loot just so that some other players can go and sell that gold for $. A lot of gold that is used in GDKP is purchased from gold selling websites and as other users have stated, can easily be returned back to the original owner via a discord voice chat and a paypal transaction that are untraceable.
âMajority of players enjoyâ Stop projecting man. Why are there so many people complaining about GDKP? I bet the original developers of wow though âWhy make tradeskills good when players could just sell epics from raids to each other from gold?â
There is going to be even more gold in wrath and GDKPs are going to get out of hand and entire servers will have economies not worth playing in because GDKPs do nothing but encourage more botting and more purchasing of gold with $. Is that what you want, Korukwarr? You want more bots in the game and more people buying gold with $$$ ?_?
Ah hah. I see you now Korukwarr. You like bots and RMT purchases.
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âLook up the social contract and read it to itâs fullâ and that, right there, is what is flawed about this argument. Thinking people actually read it âŠ
As for banning GDKPs / âBuying Gearâ (If GDKPs were banned, itâd become carry runs. Youâd take a handful of hard carries and sell them the opportunity to be there, along with loot. You know, what happens in retail now that GDKPs are dead)
But letâs pretend Blizzard took a stance against GDKPs. How are they going to enforce that, imagining they actually care, when they havenât managed to solve botting like⊠at all. Ever.
Banning GDKPs âmight beâ a nice idea in theory⊠in practice, however, itâs simply not possible to stop âp2wâ in any online economy that has trading and a playerbase. OSRS devs (Jagex) are infinitely harsher on bots than Blizzard⊠Doesnât stop them just making another account. And another. And another. Because ultimately, even if you ban them, itâs still just as financially viable for them to continue.
Thereâs also the OTHER side of the botting discussion. Without bots, economies would actually die. This is not a defense of botting, merely an acceptance of the reality of the situation. Without bots, especially on lower population realms, nothing would be farmed. Sure Bob and Charlie might go farm herbs or whatever, but the reality is there just isnât enough players who will do this sort of stuff to supply entire realms.
Especially in the modern age, and after 3 years of buying gold
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The social contract is just saying be nice to fellow players and follow the rules easy
again blizz doesnât have issues with GDKPs so you wont be able to report them just cause the social contract goes live. There biggest problem is RMT and as i said above thatâs been a problem long before GDKPs became mainstream and if they do somehow ban GDKPS RMT will still be a problem
50k isnât that much people doing dailies and farming can earn that in a couple weeks other people have done the math to prove it making gold is not hard just takes time I GDKPs cause I dislike dailies but thatâs just me
if your gonna quote price of things sold actually look it up the bow went for 350k not 1mill and outside of glaives and bow from SWP most items donât go above 30k at least runs I go to on grob horde
Thereâs RMT in most aspects of raiding whether its guild runs MS/OS pugs or GDKPs to buy consumes enchants and gems and in GDKPs gear
I dont support bots or RMT but blizz has been attempting to stop both since OG TBC its a losing battle
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Donât go to those raids. Problem solved!
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So when are we banning GDKP
Never. Get over it.
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Such a simple minded reply.
Itâs like saying to your fellow humans, donât drive a car, global warming will reverse.
You are a fool and an actual idiot.
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This is quoted off of one of the more spammy GDKP guilds on my server:
"
Prepatch is HEREâ:rotating_light:
With prepatch being on the PTR, we are now days away from prepatch. NOW is the time to ramp up your character prep. This includes finishing up some levelingâŹïž , professionsâïž , secondary professionsđŁ , gear/consume prepđ , etc.
When prepatch comes we will be doing even more GDKPs and we need your help to carry them, while you get the best payouts on the realm!
We have a lot of positive momentum right now, and we want to enter WOTLK strong. So log in, tag up, and letâs set ourselves up for success!"
They literally got âWhen prepatch comes we will be doing even more GDKPs and we need your help to carry them, while you get the best payouts on the realm!â surrounded by three pairs of the emoticons âmoney_with_wingsâ
I mean how much more proof do you need that GDKP result directly in cash conversions? It is obvious why this dude is posting instead of 
which would be more APPROPRIATE for world of warcraft gold that is meant to stay in the game and not to be further sold for $.
Yall make me sick. You just want to trade $ for gold. Gross.
This isnât a game anymore.
It is World of Pay2Raidcraft
World of Pay4Loot
World of HowMuchDidYouPayForThoseGlaives.
I didnât play this game to make money. Get over yourself. This P2W scheme is ruining the game just as much as boosting was. Blizzard might as well sell epics and legendary items right out of the blizzard store and we just go buy all the gear we want and stand around thinking weâre cooler than the next dude that just paid for their gear.
I logged onto just now after reset and what do I see? I see ZA GDKP, KARA GDKP (i mean are you serious), Gruul gkpd, hyjal GDKP.
I basically cannot go and enjoy raiding unless I pay people to get loot because thatâs all anyone wants to do.
You donât understand that when you lock your characters to raids because you get to enrich yourself in GDKP, all that does is reduce the amount of eligible players to recruit from for random pug raids and viable raids that could be cleared without paying to get carried through them.
World of DontRaidUnlessYouGotGold
World of RealMoneyTransactions
World of DevsDoGDKPsToo
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Oh here we go.
Gardoomforge loves bots and selling gold.
TOS permits them, so never.
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How much money have you made by selling gold from GDKPs NorsĂȘ? Do you know how many more bots are on your server because GDKPs are allowed, taking nodes and other resources from actual players?
Iâve made 0 dollary doos on this game, Iâve spent $540 (15/mo for 3 years). Iâve heal carried one GDKP, made 1800g. Used it to get my new main epic flying for wrath.
Bots existed in WoW before GDKPs did, gold buying existed in this game before GDKPs did. If they were gone, youâd still have bots tapping your nodes, and youâd still have players buying gold.
man what an insane leap.
I go to GDKPs and dont buy gold.
Iâve geared up a couple toons through them.
Once my priest was geared enough, I just started doing gdkps on it to earn gold, and earned enough to buy gear for my paladin and lock. who I now do gdkps on lol.
broad generalizations are never correct.
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Going to start flagging this dude, calling people botters out in the open by name.
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The unknown variable would be how players would skirt the spirit of the law like they did with MBing and boosting communities.
Once Blizzard banned software for MBing people started to switching to hardware, and it was talked about enough for Blizzard to nip that in the bud. Then boosting communities got banned so people tried to form guilds. Honestly no idea what the status of boosting is over in retail, my guess is still pretty rampant, but not as in your face anymore.
So as far as GDKP banning goes I think the immediate result of that would be a lot less advertising for GDKP runs in game by people, but people are creative and would try to set up systems to get around it, specifically via discord or maybe their own websites. Theyâd almost certainly continue even if Blizzard took additional measures beyond just stating they were banning the practice.
However, laws/rules/regulations are not really designed with the belief that they will have a 100% success rate so arguing that you canât stop people isnât really a good argument in and of itself. Thereâs plenty of acts weâve made illegal (killing, robbery, fraud etc), but they all still happen anyways. The point of creating laws is to discourage participants via the idea that theyâre being watched/regulated and that getting caught results in a punishment they donât want.
Eh, I actually disagree with this for any server that is moderately well populated. Moreover it would mean that I could go and farm stuff myself if I wanted, but honestly if real people realize there is a viable market to capitalize on there will be someone to fill it. Right now that market is oversaturated so itâs not worth it.
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Can you guarantee me 100% that none of the 1800g you made from that GDKP was not laundered through illegal means? Bots/RMT? No you cannot. There are articles on wowhead, reddit and other popular sites discussing how bad of a problem GDKP is. However, on these forums, you will only see shills like yourself and the other people here defending the âloot distribution methodâ that enriches a small portion of the community, while encouraging bots to flourish because there are more reasons for people to buy money because of GDKP.
If Blizzard says it is âokayâ and that is why you are saying it is okay⊠Then why can you buy gold for Yuan in Wow Classic over in China but not in USA? Why is the EU hammering down on game publishers selling alternative currency for real life money? Itâs because lawmakers in US have their heads too far stuck up big corporates rear to give a dang about stuff that video game companies are employing to abuse their customers.
Do you know that RMT sites make more money from US gold because you can buy gold for Yuan in chinese classic wow?
Did you know that if GDKP were banned, there would be less of a reason for bots to exist. Coming to my previous point of many other players that people just enjoy the ability to buy gold and have more bots around. That is your personal preference.
I mean thatâs cool, not really but you do you. Donât mind if you screwing over the other players that are legitimately trying to experience the game because the game is overwhelmed with bots and players just seeking to âsellâ gear for gold so that they donât have to play the actual game outside of raiding.
Meanwhile bot owners and RMT sites are winning the most out of these GDKP runs as some players that host these runs, probably like the dude that I quoted earlier who literally has flying money wing buck emoticons wrapped around his GDKP runs for upcoming pre-patch, literally make a living off of selling the gold cuts and other cuts for hosting the runs to RMT sites.
Major botting operations have fled chinese servers and other places and made their home in US servers because we donât have any laws or rules against purchasing of alternatives currencies with $ like the EU is working on now, and US does not have the ability to buy a wow token with $ in classic unless Chinese classic.
So full stop. GDKP actively encourages botting operations and RMT purchases. If you participate in GDKP runs, you are ENABLING bots and RMT to continue to exist while you merely look the other way, just because you are personally benefitting from it.
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Iâm very sorry that you do not understand simple English Gardoomforge. I said that you love bots, not that you are a botter. Smh.
Look how salty you are.
@Voltaire once Wotlk hits, when you pull up the login page, it forces you to accept the terms of the Social Contract or Exit the Game.
GG
I know because I have the wotlk beta bruh.
Edit: Just taking a moment to appreciate that you absolutely are confirming the desire to keep bots in the game because youâre leery that there are players that actually farm stuff. Well then that sounds like something that Blizzard can address once they address the issues of GDKP causing a ton of more bots to be in our servers.
Maybe they could make nodes respawn faster or you get more herbs/ore from each gather.
To continue to just defend GDKP instead of even discussing any alternatives, and bringing up a bunch of moot points of why itâs good for bots to exist is hardly a good defense to encourage GDKP and botting.
This is seemingly just an argument between people who seem to be lazy and donât want to play the game outside of raids to make gold for their next raid against other people who actually play the game and want to experience the game to its fullest but will only be able to do that if they pay the elitists gold to âcarryâ them instead of give them an opportunity to learn and grow.
There is of course the alternative discussion of this guy that I discussed previously who verbally admitted in a youtube interview that he has handled around 4 million gold since Molten Core classic. Quoting from a wowhead article âIn February, NetEase decided to release WoW Token on all Chinese classic realms. This action caused Chinese gold price to plummeting to an abysmal level. With gold price plummeting, many gold farmers decide to migrate to U.S. and E.U. servers. They targeted all high population realms like Herod, Faerlina and Whitemane. I once had a conversation with a gold seller. He told me that Chinese gold price is around 0.05 RMB (roughly 0.007 USD) while U.S. gold price is around 0.40 RMB (roughly 0.056 USD). So, he is making 7 times more than he makes on Chinese realms.â If we take 4,000,000 gold and take just the rate of the feb price (which Iâm guessing it was even more historically and has fluctated), if this dude is selling that gold, he has made ~$224,000 since Molten Core classic.
Tell me what you need 4,000,000 gold for from Molten Core classic until now. Tell me what you legitimately could spend it on.
You could buy every single player on your server epic flight training and for all of their alts. You could buy every single consume for every single player and every best BOE epic your guild could ever use to benefit your guild to further raid progression.
Iâm guessing that is not happening though. $224,000 is a lot of money.
It was pretty interesting to look at that guys facial expressions as he was asked real serious questions about RMT and the other negative aspects of running GDKP. That dude looked like he was straight having a stroke right before he spoke and itâs obvious that he is filtering all the toxic lies out of what he is about to say to try and promote GDKP as a good thing.
At least Asmongold is out there spreading the truth about GDKP and how itâs just as bad as boosting.