No thats not true, destorying someones lands, commiting genocide, makes you complicit
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Gharion from the story forums says this:
Oh how dare the gilneans defend their homeland and wanting to be able to die properly, those heartless bastardsā¦ /s.
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This. The forsaken could always leave the horde or try to outright defect to the alliance. The forsaken had choices, they simply elected not to take them in place of going to war and trying to plague out the whole of gilneas.
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But the Forsaken donāt do that. Windrunner has some plans to drop the plague and get the Scythe of Elune, both of which are thwarted.
The lands never destroyed. You donāt drop a Blight bomb in the Forsaken storyline. You push the worgen into Gilneas, and start to take over Gilneas, then the Alliance show up and push you out.
Then you regroup and it ends in a stalemate at Greymaneās Wall. Thatās the whole story. No genocide happens in either sideās story.
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intent
during the nelf rescuse you literally see the forsaken dropping plague
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And, to be clear, I do not care about the undead faction using spooky weapons as a last ditch effort. Thatās on brand. The population is safely evacuated and in the Forsaken storyline, which takes place after the Worgen one, youāre fighting the Alliance tooth and nail all over the place. Itās never suggested the lands been rendered uninhabitable.
Quite the opposite given the Battle for Gilneas BG where youāre fighting over resource nodes.
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isnt it in silverpine
Itās in both Silverpine and Gilneas. Which is why Gilneas is uninhabitable gameplay wise. Itās a mine field of phasing that you couldnāt do anything with before party sync.
Which is a shame since it looks really cool, and Iād like to get some guilds together and do some urban warfare RPPVP there. But most of the northern kingdoms are unplayable for the same reason.
Andorhal, Tyrās Hand, even some Scourge Holdings - trying to do anything there is a massive headache with people popping in and out of existence.
And the Alliance outright cant see the fixed Sludge Fields where the Forsaken stopped an atrocity. Which is just unfair.
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Doesnt change the fact that they plague it and that varian says that gilneas was plagued
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I view the gameplay as what historians call a primary source. Short stories, like the most recent one with LorāThemar, should be used to flesh out story details the game doesnt really have the time to go into.
It retconning observable reality continues to be an insult to anyone who bothers to read the quest descriptions and pays attention to setting details. Like with BTS saying the Forsaken burn books about Lordaeronās past. Despite Blue Moon Odds and Ends and other places that sell books being in the Undercity. And several quests where you go fetch stuff about Lordaeronās past because the Forsaken are trying to figure out a census or whoās land belongs to who.
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Varian is in the game
Pretty sure GulāDan rolled need on then disenchanted him. Cant trust those locks, I tell ya.
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So all his lore is not canon, I am saying varian said gilneas was plagued in the game
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And Iām saying Varian is quantifiably wrong.
Blizz wanted Gilneas to be a big, urban warfare AV esque EBG. But as I understand it that play tested about as well a copy of Custardās Revenge on the Virtual Boy, so they scrapped it.
Which is a shame because looking at the city itās basically a big segmented wheel. I can totally see how this couldāve worked. And I have a love for urban PVP, which is why SW is more fun to attack than Orgrimmar. Lot of narrow alleys and large buildings with small hallway entrances.
Play your cardās right and you can Battle of Thermopylae most of the Mageās Quarter. But I also think thatās why it tested poorly. Get an SPriest, Destro Lock, MM Hunter and Frost Mage together and you can make 5ft of hallway feel like going over the top in WW1.
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Attacking a then-neutral nation unprovoked with the express purpose of killing all its residents is probably bad. Also stupid because it resulted in the Alliance getting some of their most vicious fighters
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so the lore isnt canon now, wow I didnt know you are a dev, varian didnt know the status of gilneas in mop wow thanks for clearing it up, can you tell us whats going on in ashenvale after bfa?
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Yeah I can. Itās contested and the Nelves reclaimed Astranaar and the rest of their holdings and the Horde maintained theirs.
Until anything meaningfully changes in game, thatās the situation.
WoW, the game, is the only thing I think is remarkable and stood the test of time. The MMO genre hasnāt been able to surpass itās world building. Blizz should use that world as itās predominate vehicle for storytelling.
If a story point isnāt reflected meaningfully in the game world at all, then why should I care? My distaste for BTS aside they at least had the graves of the Forsaken murdered in the Gathering in Arathi. So someone who didnāt read it might see that, get curious and look it up.
Itās places like Silverpine Iām more confused about. But Iāve decided the Forsaken hold Shadowfang Keep and Iāll roll with the punches if they challenge that decision.
Also Nethergarde Keep is rebuilt and the MagāHar in the area either joined the Horde are or in small, fairly irrelevant tribal hold outs in the mountains. Itās back to itās pre-WoD self.
This is the fun you can have when you just roll your eyes at Blizz and write your own story because thatās what this sandbox is for. Thanks for Zandalar and Kul Tiras Blizz Iāll do something with it soon as it stops being a sharding nightmare.
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The uvg descripted gilneas plagued, too
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Places like Gilneas and the Plaguelands bug me because itās so phased Iām dependent on Blizz moving the story forward. Otherwise my server will and weāll retcon as needed for whatever probably worse ideas they hire sci fi genre writers to come up with.
but the war is over, so the war is still going on, mad this is so weird, why does everyone pretend like the horde arnet doing anything bad around tyrande