So Tyrande is forsaken now?

How else to explain why she not only can’t defeat a single ordinary undead, but can’t even prevent him from raising her people as undead. Tyrande is obviously forsaken by Elune, too.

Also, yes, Tyrande, your people died because you failed to kill Saurfang … so why aren’t you going after him now?

Tyrande is literally being empowered by Elune in a ritual of vengeance. She isn’t forsaken by Elune.

Killing Saurfang would have done nothing. He didn’t order the burning, that was Sylvanas. Saurfang actually tried to stop the burning but was too dumbstruck by the sheer evil to act in time.

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So Nathanos is more powerful than Elune? That seems unlikely.

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Nathanos, being empowered by two angels of undeath, loses to Tyrande and is forced to retreat, losing one of those angels in the process.

I have no idea how you can construe that as Nathanos being the stronger of the two.

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Wut? Saurfang’s death is ultimately irrelevant to what happened to Teldrassil.

Had she simply killed him, then either: A) Sylvanas would have realized that Malf survived through Saurfang’s death/disappearance and burned the tree; or B) Tyrande and Malf would have went to Teldrassil and both been killed when the Horde invaded. She may say something stupid like that, but Saurfang’s survival has no real pertinence on the events that transpired afterward.

Beyond that, Nathanos is NOT a “normal” undead. He’s a pretty high-tier level undead due to the body he was given through the sacrifice of his living cousin. Him barely holding out long enough to complete the ritual, with two Prime Valkyr backing him (and losing one) is really not that big a deal.

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What?

WHAT?

Okay, no. She kills a whole camp of Forsaken first of all, easily. As well as Goblins too, she(for whatever reason) decides to just spare Belmont.

Secondly, she doesn’t know Anduin let Saurfang out of prison. Yet.

Killing Saurfang would have been worse for the Night Elves in the long run.

Just another thread crying that a Horde character is doing anything other than rolling over and dying while being amazed at how strong X Alliance character is.

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Then she should have been demanding his execution instead of storming off in a fit of insanity.

I mean, unless the story line is actually that Tyrande becomes insane and ends up like King Lear or something.

Big whoop. The player character could have done that alone. That doesn’t require a faction leader, let alone a goddess empowered one.

So you would rather she sit in Stormwind and beg Anduin to kill Saurfang instead of doing something in Darkshore? I somehow don’t see that going over well.

Did this really need another thread, when there’s already one on the front page?

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The Horde/Alliance PC can do anything, they’re literally a Mary Sue/Stew. That doesn’t change the fact Tyrande still did it.

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Except, you know, she didn’t actually do anything in Darkshore. She’s totally ineffectual. Yes, I’d rather a story that doesn’t pretend her ineffectivenes is heroic when it’s not.

I don’t feel like defending Saurfang :confounded: but

Tyrande spares Saurfang because he could be merciful to captive Night Elves in Teldrasill in a scenario Horde actually controls it - she doesn’t spare him because of pity. And He’s ultimately innocent to whatever is happening to Night Elves in Darkshore.

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Killing a bunch of Forsaken and a Valkyr isn’t nothing then driving Nathanos back isn’t nothing.

Considering he was one of the key leaders of the Horde’s rampage through Darkshore, that’s a ridiculous clainm.

Those are the same kind of “angels” that level 30 nobodies kill in Andorhal though, so forgive me if I do not take your argument that those Val’kyr’s now suddenly a force to be reckon with.

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Level isn’t indicative of lore strength. If we go that route there are common peasants that are more powerful than eredar sorcerers and dragons.

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Are you saying that the Dark Sayian ritual caused Elune to forsake Tyrande, kinda like a side effect?

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I’m saying Tyrande was right when she accused Elune of forsaking her earlier, except Elune specifically forsook Tyrande, not night elves as a whole. Tyrande is also right about the night elves getting torched because Tyrande forsook them.

You have to know that’s a silly argument. I mean, there is random wildlife in Kul’Tiras that could solo most of the raid bosses that have been in this game if we just go by level.

Bad argument is bad.

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