I did say based on anyone with a brain in their head that knew what a Mary Sue was.
There are people that claim any characters a Mary Sue, but we literally walked through Thralls mind, and saw he legitmently was not a Mary Sue, we watched him grow into power to be able to actually weild that (Not counting the growth from WC3 onwards)
Anyone trying to claim -Thrall- of all people was a Mary Sue, was simply a hater.
Exceptā¦ heās coming back. Heās coming back to save the Horde and all our ***es. Heās more of an Orc than any that have lived prior.
No Thrallās not a Mary Sue, heās a kill-stealing coward who runs away almost every time thereās a threat then showās up again just to get his face on the news.
Heās not coming back on a permanent basis. Heās going to show up just long enough to pick a new warchief (worked out so well the 2 times he did it before so sure letās bring him back for round 3). Itās either going to be Baine, Saurfang or Lorāthemar. Sylvanas will be the new Lich Queen and weāll have an expansion of WotLK 2.0.
Whaa, you didntā get the killing blow on Garrosh.
Iām actually glad Thrall killed Garrosh, it was a closing symbol of him fully committing to his responsiblity when it came to Garrosh, and closed the circle.
Had he not, people would just complain we had to clean up thrallās mess.
Further, Thrall just wants to retire with his family, thatās not a cowardly thing to do, Thrallās been dealing with all this garbage for longer than any of us.
People tire out and want to move on. Thatās not cowardly, thatās literally just life.
Iām not talking about the duel where he cheated his way to victory, Iām talking about him confronting Garrosh at the end of MOP, getting owned, literally hearthing out and leaving us to fight him then showing up seconds after WE beat him and being like āIāmma take you out now you mean 'ole orc, I mean now that youāre sprawled out on the ground with 20+ heroes around me and the Horde and Alliance leaders to back me up.ā
Okay, you go fight a Shaād up Orcish warlord, without your magic because itās been sealed away, see how you manage Elf. I bet you youād be paste on the ground.
Also, thrall didnāt cheat, get over it.
He did, he violated the rules. You can argue that the results top that, but he still violated the spirit of the duel.
No, he didnāt.
You can say he did all you want, but he didnāt.
Give the guy a break. The guy deserved a bit of down time after all the things heās done for Azeroth.
I keep seeing this over and over, and Iāll repeat myself over and over. Its cowardly because he seemingly did so during the Legion Invasion and Sylvanas, the one person who makes Garrosh look like a saint, became warchief in the wake of Volājinās demise. If it were any other period, then we wouldnāt have this argument. But here we are.
So have a LOT of other characters. Every leader you could think of. Should they just call it in? Should Greymane step down because heās getting tired? Malf and Tyrande? Muradin? Saurfang? Jaina? These guys and more have every right to retire, but they chose not to. Why should Thrall be any exception?
Yes, he did.
You can say he didnāt all you want, but he did.
Thing is, If Thrall had died at the end of Cataā¦ would it be his fault the Horde ended up the way it was? Same difference. Thrall lost confidence in himself, and doubted his own powerā¦ THAT is what caused the elements to leave him. Self-perpetuating cycle there. The Elements wonāt respond to his call because HE doesnāt feel he has the right to call on them.
Heās spent more of his life a Shaman than warriorā¦ what on earth is one warrior? He is strong yes, but nothing specialā¦ he is out of practice in the ways of being a warrior, he has no special skills trained as he relied on his Shamanic abilities.
Not to mention, throughout legion he was doubting himself, his purposeā¦ so yes it makes sense he needed to take time outā¦ to look after his familyā¦ and in the words of pandarians āto see what is worth fighting forā
Where does it say this? All that happens in Makāgora is the two combatants agree to the rules. Just because Cairne did it in the old way, doesnāt mean that necessarily stands. Itās what the two combatants agree to. No holds barred is also a rule that can be used.
And btwā¦ in the pre event of wrathā¦ Garrosh and Thrall had a Makāgora in the orgrimmar arena in front of the entire population of ogrimmarā¦ they used magic and skills, no eyelids batted.
dude, he was āraisedā by humans. you expect him to be all āmad-boi garroshā when things go bad?
Thrall wasnāt around when Slyvanas was named warchief, he was in Deepholm fighting to try to get Doomhammer back, and failed, thus the shaman class leader got it. He from then recognized he was having issues summoning and controlling the elements over the subconscious issues he had over failing with Garrosh, and having to kill his best friendās son
Thrall completed his task, saved azeroth on multiple occasions, and cleaned up his mess with Garrosh, and learned heās basically lost his powers.
When shamans lose their powers, itās basically time to retire. Which he chose to do so.
Whether or not he actually managed to rekindle his ability to control the elements in his time away, is currently unknown.
Thrall has -always- been the relucant hero archtype, heās been called to action, over and over and over again, to save azeroth repeatedly, heās done ridiculous things in his life time.
Heās not some knight in shining armor heroic savior who dashes off at the first chance of trouble. Thatās been part of his character for a long time.
That does not make him a coward. heās done what he needs to do everytime itās come up, however heās not omnicient, he cannot know everything, and he cannot be everywhere, further without his powers, what was he going to do?
No, he really didnāt.
Iām not going to go back and forth with you like a couple of toddlers arguing on the playground. You have your opinion and itās not going to change. The rest of us have ours and that will remain the same. Just keep in mind you saying something is so doesnāt make it true.
Sadly yes, but this time he wouldnāt be in a position to do much about it. He probably wouldnāt be so hated if that happened.
Grom. Durotan. Orgrim. Broxigar. Garrosh. ALL of them are warriors, yet they left their mark in history. No excuse for Thrall because he lost his powers. He can still do things, despite his handicap.
Same can be said of Vereesa Windrunner. She should spend time with her kids, yet helped out the Unseen Path and during the Nightborne Rebellion Or Tyrande stepping down to look out for Malfurion, but still helped in said Rebellion.
What exception does Thrall have that the others donāt?
And following Cata, he became world shaman! Clearly the elements didnāt care back then, so why should they care now? Why would the elements bother with what goes on in a duel between mortals in the first place?
So he didnāt participate in Volājinās funeral. Some friend and brother he turned out to beā¦
Says who?
And if Superman loses his powers, should he just call it quits? Does Tony give up when he lose his company and all his suits? Should Batman hang up his cowl and vanish when heās tired of saving Gotham over and over again?
He of all people shouldāve known what Syl is and what sheās capable of. Sheās the last person anyone would want as warchief. He shouldāve stayed to keep her in check, to shoot down her desires for war, and ignore her manipulations. He shouldāve learnt his lessons after Garrosh, but clearly, he didnāt.
Pot, meet kettle.
What on earth are you talking about? That wasnāt even a response to you. Iām on your side with this thread.
Thing is, they were warriors from the absolute startā¦ they honed their strength as warriors. Thrall didnāt he honed his strength through his elemental connections. He may be strong, but as a plain warrior he doesnāt hold a candle to your examples.
They donāt. As weāve pointed outā¦ he only lost his power as a shaman because he doubted HIMSELF. The elements wonāt come to a shaman who doubts he has the rights to do so. Basically Thrall has locked himself in this cycle due to his OWN personal guilt trip. Elements couldnāt care less, they wanted Garrosh dead after his dark shaman tortured the elementals around Ogrimmar.