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Dude face palm him. He just told him the truth. I guess you guys cant handle the truth. Hey what ever works for you. Second like my dad said its the internet. Take it like the weather. Cant control it . just live with it.
What truth? That "Horde is superior, suck it alliance"? I find it hard to believe that when the faction can't go 3 years without internal conflict or swapping leaders.
well, i mean its true tho "Horde is superior, suck it alliance".
our internal conflict is what makes us stronger. Survival of the fittest. cull the weak.
You'll never see us led by some fragile little boy king that begs his enemies for help.
Anduin will marry Baine in a political move to unite the Horde and the Alliance
Literally boy king begs a horde to save him from the horde. What would the alliance do without us? Why do they even exist at this point?
Can we just have Saurfang voted as the alliance warchief and move on to the next expansion already?
Other way around. Anduin has to come and poke Saurfang out of the basement he's sulking in and inspire him to go "get his horde back" instead of just sitting in the corner crying.
Screw Saurfang, I'm so ticked off that our new rebellion is at the prompting of the OTHER FACTION'S LEADER.
Boy, we get to choose between following a psycho or following Anduin.
FACTION PRIDE, HORDE BIAS, ETC
Literally boy king begs a horde to save him from the horde. What would the alliance do without us? Why do they even exist at this point?
Can we just have Saurfang voted as the alliance warchief and move on to the next expansion already?
You say "Anduin begged".
I say "Anduin offered to work together with Saurfang to defeat a foe they both know they can't handle alone."
I mean, pfft. Two factions trying to work together for the greater good? That hasn't happened in any of the WoW expansions before.
you can make up whatever little scenario in your head you want, doesnt make it true.
Anduin clearly said he cant win without help from Saurfang and the horde. He literally knows the horde would crush the alliance and there is no hope without his help. If Saurfang said no, the alliance is dead, simple as that.
I mean everything people here are saying is Nil. Just wait til the upcoming patch, You'll see. All these horde players are going to be in for a shock is all i'm saying.
... What truth? That "Horde is superior, suck it alliance"? I find it hard to believe that when the faction can't go 3 years without internal conflict or swapping leaders.
well, i mean its true tho "Horde is superior, suck it alliance".
our internal conflict is what makes us stronger. Survival of the fittest. cull the weak.
You'll never see us led by some fragile little boy king that begs his enemies for help.
Or it continues to tear you apart as you keep bickering over the meaning of honor as you once again play a game of who's the new leader. But I guess you could see that as "Strength of character" that you'd let yourself be stepped on constantly by a women who's only difference between her and the Lich King was removed the moment your last figurehead died.
Oh and god forbid anyone asks for help when they need it. God forbid we realize we're not super gods that need help to accomplish big tasks. Guess what; asking for help doesn't make you weak. It's accepting you can't do everything alone. And that's what makes the Alliance strong, that's what makes us an ALLIANCE.
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You say "Anduin begged".
I say "Anduin offered to work together with Saurfang to defeat a foe they both know they can't handle alone."
I mean, pfft. Two factions trying to work together for the greater good? That hasn't happened in any of the WoW expansions before.
you can make up whatever little scenario in your head you want, doesnt make it true.
Anduin clearly said he cant win without help from Saurfang and the horde. He literally knows the horde would crush the alliance and there is no hope without his help. If Saurfang said no, the alliance is dead, simple as that.
He can't do it alone is what he said. The Alliance isn't alone, and the real issue is the Alliance kind of has all these advantages that are just hand-waved away. The Vindicaar is literally just forgotten despite it being completely dominated by the Army of the Light and Lightforged, yet we're supposed to just accept it. It's frustrating playing as Alliance actually, because the Horde is spared destruction each and every time. The ending of SoO could have easily been the end of the Horde entirely but nope we're stuck with Varian finally choosing a peaceful solution after years of his more aggressive stance towards the Horde.
11/07/2018 09:58 PMPosted by
Samurix Technically you guys could never get the job done. Look at all bodies. For now you winning. For now. Next wave it send in the farmers. Meanwhile yours so desperate you go to a powerless orc for help. Hoping he start a split in the horde. As you realize your whole Alliance with boosted allied races and yet your about as powerful as wet paper bag.
If horde had not get rebellion in MOP you guys would been clean dung piles in orc slave camps. That why you have to start anther one. It clear as day Alliance are weak and can not Defeat the horde. The only powerful ones you got are Night elf's. You guys are helping them out. Instead ignoring them.
Alliecnce relies to much on malfurion . He so weak they had to do two separate stories for BFA starters. one on alliance side he winning. One on horde side begging for life on knees. You see how power he is attacking weaker force. You wonder how Nathanos beats him. Writers and plot amour.
Face it guys Alliance has more powerful beings on it side. last count it was 12 all powerful beings to horde 2. cant count baine as he needs to go or get small balls. Suarfangg/Thrall is puppet of alliance. Lor'themar is a wild card. Our allied races already talking of leaving. Despite the fact we still supporting them. troll princesses acting wimpy. why she sure seem bad to bone in opening. Despite all the bad writing on horde said. Horde still have one if not two of most powerful beings on planet out your 12. You still cant win.
Face it alliance your weak. horde always fighting keeps them in top shape. Alliance always want peace or using other get their dirty work done. has left them weak. Writers and dev know this and try to give you all help they can. Even trying to pull at horde heart string to support you or make
Wind runner so evil as horde support you with anther rebellion. Hate her or despise her if you say you are a horde player support a strong horde. Lets handle it like true horde in a battle to death. Not allow some alliance puppet or Baine to come and split us again. She gets the job done. stop supporting alliance. If horde would do this we win finally. Baine wants honor then let him challenge her. Therefore, Baine/thrall/saurfang needs stop being a lowly alliance weak player and change her in open combat. three men and they cower in front of a women. Too scared to challenge her.
For record the only one who might stand a chance and need heavy writers support because he has been weaken is Thrall. The rest would run away with skirts hike up.
I've noticed this. No one actually stands up to Sylvanas. I think Saurfang sort of tried but then quickly withered.
Don't get me wrong, I fully 100% support Sylvanas as Warchief, but if the other leaders are so unhappy with her leadership, they should say something. Instead, Baine sulks off without a word, and no one else says anything. Saurfang walks off to die. Then you have all these people whispering about her behind her back and even plotting against her. Passive Aggressive much?
Challenge her to mok'gora! Join together and confront her as one to settle things without bloodshed if you want. But not ones tried. Get stated goal is to make sure the Horde survives.
Will she listen? Who knows, no one's tried. They're all running about behind her back like worms.
But they're gonna try and have another rebellion. Great. What a waste.
you can make up whatever little scenario in your head you want, doesnt make it true.
Anduin clearly said he cant win without help from Saurfang and the horde. He literally knows the horde would crush the alliance and there is no hope without his help. If Saurfang said no, the alliance is dead, simple as that.
Anduin can only fight Sylvanas like Sylvanas. Anduin doesn't want to stoop to genocidal levels to win. Thus, he needs honor back in the Horde. You know, the thing Saurfang is all about? It is like you just want to be mad instead of seeing the story for what it really is. Anduin knows that for the peaceful world he envisions to be real, the Horde NEEDS its honor back.
Besides all that, throwing a rebellion into Sylvanas's mess is a legit war strategy. The empire that crumbles within isn't so easily rebuilt.
Anyone else find it funny when an alliance player thinks their faction is honorable? lmao
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Move over boys.. let me tell you why i can not play this game. writing in it sucks. They have zero clue on tactics. let me show you.
. horde has basically a tactical nuclear weapon. They then use it on a fort town. Really because common sense tell me to bomb alliance capital city. They got mountains to cover you if you go in low enough. just when need to release it. they might get some shots off .But your support should save you. Thus, horde wins. Nope they bomb some other place.
The have chemical weapons. that can destroy your army. Do they use it on alliance capital. no they use it own city. if you know the alliance coming for you. You strike again. not wait for them. Therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him. Get the idea. bad writing again.
She can raise the dead. Using there own soldiers against them. that pretty much free win.
How in the heck alliance winning this war. Heck how they stooping the Horde. It seem the only way is to keep planting rebellion in horde ranks. Otherwise they over run them a long time ago.
They have a new video where they admit they winning but have nogthing left. yet they still going to win.
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Anyone else find it funny when an alliance player thinks their faction is honorable? lmao
I find it more funny when a forsaken claims to know anything of honor.
Literally boy king begs a horde to save him from the horde. What would the alliance do without us? Why do they even exist at this point?
Can we just have Saurfang voted as the alliance warchief and move on to the next expansion already?
You say "Anduin begged".
I say "Anduin offered to work together with Saurfang to defeat a foe they both know they can't handle alone."
I mean, pfft. Two factions trying to work together for the greater good? That hasn't happened in any of the WoW expansions before.
Nah what Saurfang is doing isn't for the greater good it's so he can feel better about himself. Too bad they didn't give him his death in the courtyard.
Literally boy king begs a horde to save him from the horde. What would the alliance do without us? Why do they even exist at this point?
Can we just have Saurfang voted as the alliance warchief and move on to the next expansion already?
I actually would love to watch Saurfang lead the Alliance.
11/07/2018 10:26 PMPosted by
Lokhir Not only that, But with all the references to "Doomsday weapons" I think Anduin is also leery of a possible apocalypse on azeroth. That being said, I feel like the OP is just raging about how the horde is going to have another civil war. Which really shouldn't surprise anyone, Since inherently the horde suffers from more infighting issues than the alliance ever will due to, You guessed it, The forsaken often conflicting with the hordes key values of honour. Not to mention Sylvanas wasn't even supposed to be the warchief from the start, But i suppose those are more 8.1 spoilers, So i won't reveal anything more on that.
Horde may be weeks away from defeat but we will never actually lose became the devs love Horde . ... and the allaince sucks .
you can make up whatever little scenario in your head you want, doesnt make it true.
Anduin clearly said he cant win without help from Saurfang and the horde. He literally knows the horde would crush the alliance and there is no hope without his help. If Saurfang said no, the alliance is dead, simple as that.
Anduin doesn't want to drop to the same level as Sylvanas to win (which he could - between the Vindicaar and Jaina, there is a pair of powerful nukes). An internal revolution would cause the win with the least possible bloodshed.
11/07/2018 09:29 PMPosted by
Hawkéns Excuse me, but we didn't ask for help...
Saurfang did, we just said "Nah, mate you gotta join in on dis too."
This. The exchange between Anduin and Saurfang went something like this:
Saurfang: "I want my Horde back!"
Anduin: "Why did you spare my life?"
Saurfang: "I hoped you could stop her."
Anduin: "I can't." Walks out, but leaves cell door open. "Not alone."
That sure seems like it was Saurfang that made the presumption of being helped first...but what the hey, we're getting used to the mental gymnastics the Sylvanas sycophants here indulge in.
11/07/2018 09:29 PMPosted by
Ironnic Excuse me, when was it the first time we asked for the Horde's help? I do not recall ever asking for help the first time. If you mean Legion, then no, we did not ask for help. That was a world threat level, Kadgar went to the Alliance and Horde for help.
Pandaria Expansion, we never asked for help for the mess that the Horde created. We wanted Garrosh's head for bombing Theramore. So we never asked for help. Even now we have not asked for help. We just said that we will not stoop to Sylvanas's level.
The Horde actually were the ones who asked for the Alliance help for SoO.
11/08/2018 06:06 AMPosted by
Leyami 11/07/2018 09:29 PMPosted by
Hawkéns Excuse me, but we didn't ask for help...
Saurfang did, we just said "Nah, mate you gotta join in on dis too."
This. The exchange between Anduin and Saurfang went something like this:
Saurfang: "I want my Horde back!"
Anduin: "Why did you spare my life?"
Saurfang: "I hoped you could stop her."
Anduin: "I can't." Walks out, but leaves cell door open. "Not alone."
That sure seems like it was Saurfang that made the presumption of being helped first...but what the hey, we're getting used to the mental gymnastics the Sylvanas sycophants here indulge in.
Huh.. Saurfang is one guy , Anduin controls the entire alliance .
Anduin wants to install Saurfang as a leader so that they can have at least a truce and not have to fight to the last man. If it works, it will drastically reduce casualties on both sides. Sylvanas likely doesn't care about how many living Horde die, and Alliance casualties actually increase her own numbers.
It's not a case of "The Alliance is definitely going to lose unless you help", it's that if Sylvanas is fought in a long traditional war of attrition, the living on both sides aren't going to win. "Saurfang's Horde" might not even be there by the time the Alliance loses, if they did, and the Horde just turns into the Scourge 2.0.
Also even if they assassinated her, no telling if the fighting would actually end. Somebody (*cough*Nathanos*cough*) might just pick up where she left off.