good points
This is where its hard to allow good story in MMOās. I agree, the alliance should NEVER forgive the horde for Teldrassil, but we always āhaveā to be on the same side to take down the big baddies.
I like BoD because we actually have raid with different perspectives going on. But development starts to get a lil crazy the more angles you take. Which is why blizzard ultimately simplifies the story to unite the factions to take down the big baddie.
This is why I canāt truly believe Blizz making a third faction like the Scourge. The scourge has VASTLY different goals and motivationsā¦ mostly āevilā, though may occasionally align with the āgood guysā.
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they also said they didnt want either faction to feel like they chose the wrong faction, but now no matter what they do, one faction is gonna get slapped in the face and will feel like they arenāt welcomed
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Pretty sure only the rabid Sylvanas fanbois and most ardent Red is Dead players have any degree of happiness with the current story and even those guys could end up getting a nice āslap in da faceā from Blizzard before 9.0.
depending on the story even sylvanas fans have cause to be worried, as the ending will likely either be garrosh 2.0 or kerrigan 3.0. if it is kerrigan 3.0 they will be good, but if its garrosh 2.0
Iād honestly be more insulted if it was a kerrigan 3.0 we just had that flavor with illidan.
fair, but i imagine a lot of her fans would be happy that sylvanas would ultimately get away with what she has done
Probably. And I could be biased because Iāve been looking to kick her rotting toosh off the warchief chair. But we are probably too far gone to get a satisfying she lives ending.
they can always do a āshe was a good guy all along and everything she has done was to defeat the void lords and we should have just let her do whatever she wantsā
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So yeah, Illidan. Would really fit in well with this expansion endgame feeling just like a worse legion.
pretty much. and it would piss off alliance and honor horde fans. and many might unsub
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You do know you guys destroyed undercity right?
You guys also got to raid org and fight garrosh. So truthfully their is alliance favoritism. I want to have a raid take place in stormwind with an alliance leader as the final boss.
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technically sylvanas destroyed undercity an a attempt to kill off the alliance leaders
and we were helping the horde when we did so. the siege of org was a joint effort between alliance and horde
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You destroyed undercity dont play semantics. You.helped.yourselves and not is with garrosh
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undercity was destroyed with blight, alliance dont have blight. and it was destroyed with the intent on taking out the alliance
if you wanted to siege stormwind in the same way we sieged orgrimmar, then you would essentially just be helping us clean the city out FOR us and then leaving. because that is what the alliance did for orgrimmar, we cleaned it out like pest exterminators and then left you guys in peace without taking advantage of the situation.
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If the Alliance had done half of the things that Horde has already done to ally, would they be pleased to see us destroy yet another of their capitals and finish BfA, with no negative repercussions?
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Thing is it sounds like you would only consider it a fist bump moment if all the Horde leaders were killed and the members of the Horde thrown in camps like the Alliance did with the Orcs before.
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Oooo, this is the part where we claim Horde Bias by completely leaving out that the reason the Alliance lost a lot of those holdings is that they had way more leveling zones than the Horde did. Since you know, Cata was trying to balance out the leveling experience, realize that means that prior to Cata the excess number of Alliance leveling zones was big enough that subtracting the zones that switched hands and werenāt just empty zones that werenāt really being used like Azshara, just evened out the numbers.
Alliance lost more because they have vastly larger numbers of things to lose. Where was the Horde equivalent to Theramore, a settlement in between large town and capital city? What zones had the Horde entering a contested zone that was in the Alliance leveling track at 5-10 levels higher than them like Hillsbrad? Did 3 races in the Alliance have a default leveling path that stuck them in one zone from 7-30? Fine, yes, I get that it sucked on the story side (and really I canāt say I felt it was great to the Horde either) but can you at least admit that Horde needed to get more zones so they could have a leveling experience on par with Alliance? (And I really doubt there would have been less tears if Blizzard just made up a bunch of brand new zones for the Horde.)
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Oooo, this is the part where you fail reading comprehension by flat out ignoring what I said.
So I DID acknowledge that this was to correct the zone imbalance. Yeah Horde leveling sucked back in ye olden days, which is probably why the barrens chat was such cancer. Millions of pre-teen drama queens all funneled through one zone. Tragic. Thatās not in question. And itās COMPLETELY irrelevant to the fact that in a narrative, territorial, and practical perspective, the Alliance just loses, and loses, and loses ground, while gaining absolutely nothing from its victories.
So it used to suck for the Horde levelers. And ever since the āfixā, itās sucked for the Alliance story (which is ENTIRELY what my point was about, in case you missed that). Narrative doesnāt give a damn about gameplay mechanics, but it ends up having to make up explanations for them. THAT is the issue that Alliance players are having. Thereās no give and take for them. Thereās just taking. And then BfA compounded it by taking 3 more zones from the Alliance. Hell, Legion compounded it by giving (in story) the Broken Isles to the Horde as well. One side wins everything, while one side only loses things.
Stop screaming about your orangutans while Iām arguing about apples.
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Location, Location, Locationā¦ Why would any military commander give up a controlled location within quick striking distance of two enemy targets unless she had absolutely no other choice?
Lordaeron is our home, we controlled the zones all around it, Ironforge and Stormwind feared what we would do. No longer.
What in Legion do I own? Suramar and the Nightborne? One zone, and they already own it, all Horde Nightborne are exiles to the NPCs of the city. Thereās nothing else.
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