Oh, bringing up something from a different thread. Joined AV. 10 minutes later, have SHGY. #sigh. Only 15 defended. It was pretty crappy. #sigh.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
I mean, you can argue that. I tend to think maybe you are motivating your teammates to actually try. Because this is pretty much the norm for me when I queue up 
Or maybe theyâre not defending that graveyard maybe theyâre trying to actually win and assault something else.
the way we have to win is much harder than the way you have to win.
Since they lost that graveyard without holding another one they just flat out lose the game.
I wonder what would happen if they held SHGY and took IBGY??
Since itâs true that alliance auto lose when they lose SHGY shouldnt horde auto lose when they lose IBGY??
Itâs almost as if thereâs some massive advantage down there that prevents that.
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Nah. We have SPGY at 14 mins. Again. This is normal. 15-20 defend. No one else does. They roll over.
I see the Horde trolls are out in force. I wonder what their existence must be like.
Nah, Iâll take the Horde side. You can have the Alliance side every time.
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Tbh I think that most people arenât very good at games, so when they find something they are winning at they think they are finally good at something.
Then all of a sudden the thing they were good at gets fixed and they go back to being bad, I think the few people who protest their advantage on AV are very similar to those kinds of people.
Like back when prot pally was overpowered and could solo 2-3 players.
Some of my friends and people I saw who were never good at arena were all of a sudden. 1900-2k rated players, then blizzard nerfed it and they went back down to the 1700 rated players they were, I think itâs just like that on these forums.
Some horde are finally good at the game and it couldnât possibly be an outside force to them, they are just finally good.
Canât wait to see these peopleâs ratings in TBC.
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I suspect it is one of those sharing a spot on my ignore list, someone who actually ARGUED FOR this version of AV. There is no âsCoRcHeD eArTh!â strategy. There is simply taking what the opponent has no will to protect. There is no more âsCoRcHeD eArTh!â in AV than there is in my eating a hamburger that is on my plate. The hamburger doesnât fight back, I eat it. âsCoRcHeD eArTh!â implies a struggle. (It is also a ridiculous ripoff of a historical term that means quite the opposite of what alliance players use it as.
There was no way for worse games from alliance. At least now the people queing will be trying to win, instead of farming crystals.
I think once a gy rez cap has been reached you are pushed to the next closest would be an interesting twist.
The reason it is worse is because you arenât even going to have rep farmers trying to kill Horde for the turn ins anymore. Itâs literally going to be afk bots and fishers. While it isnât much of a step down, it is still somehow worse.
FWGY unattackable? What sort of bunkum is that? FWGY is the most exposed GY there is, just sitting there in the middle of a wide open field. SPGY is harder to take than SHGY. FWGY and SPGY donât even begin to compare to each other.
We all know Blizzard didnât take AV seriously on Classic when Live Servers got the better AV for a monthâŚ
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I think the usage of the term in WoW stems from it being a mantra of âleave nothing for your enemyâ. In AV terms, Horde give nothing to Alliance whatsoever and burn all of their structures to the ground. I donât think it has to be an exact historical fit and everybody understands what it means in the context of AV these days. I think youâve long since missed your opportunity to be picky about it 
Still, define it how you like, justify it how you like. Itâs a video game and how folks play it is up to them. However, how they play the game also has consequences. One of those consequences is long queue times. Alliance have realized that thereâs no real tangible counter to the AV map imbalances within the grasp of your average PuG, so the vast majority simply choose not to participate.
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In theory this change is good but realistically it will increase alliance queue times by a bit but for horde enjoy your 6 hour queues.
Most ppl wonât bother now.
Youâre right, I meant iceblood
you mean, people might actually play it who are not level 51 do nothings for welfare epics? The AV changes are like one of the only good things blizzard has done as of late.
The changes donât address any of the reason why serious alliance pvpers left AV. And with both making rep harder to get and new items coming out that make AV items more irrelevant thereâs going to be even less alliance playing it.
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Depends on how many people are willing to put up with a more brutal rep farm than it already is for some welfare epics.
I do think alliance will be able to put up a better defense now that they canât just skip the bridge, maybe next theyâll look into actually changing the spawn location further back so to make it the same distance as the alliance have to travel but Blizzard is slow AF as usual on this.
Yeah, queue times for Horde wonât go up from these changes, people are just salty their rep farms will take longer, but theyâll still do them⌠Most Alliance generally only queue AV to exalted then never go back. If the rankers and pre-maders decided their meta is to not queue AV because they get more honor per hour in AB/WSG pug stomps, thatâs their meta gaming choice and itâs not going to change either.