So many buttons compared to retail!

My 27 Druid is 14 Resto, & now working on some Balance. My rotation for the usual yellow melee mob pull is:

Starfire for initial pull-punch (or perhaps a Wrath or 2)
(above cast is skipped if mob gets the jump on me)
Moonfire DD+DoT
Insect Swarm DoT/Debuff
Fairie Fire Armor Debuff (sometimes)
Autoattack Melee with my 2HND Crush or Staff Weapon while DoTs tick away.
Throw in another Moonfire if first one drops off before a certain point
Tougher yellows (or missed melee hits) may require an additional Insect Swarm as well.

If fighting two mobs, I will also weave in a Renew with my auto-attack swings as needed.

I’m not a real fan of the Cat/Bear/Moonkin combat/casting forms, so I tend to actively play her as a humanoid caster/healer hybrid (it’s what’s fun for me). I love using Aquatic form though, & will be using Cheetah form from 30-60 without buying a mount at 40. I will switch to Cat form for the dash & stealth sometimes though, or bear if I am fleeing a group while being pummeled, lol.

Says the level 11 gnome mage…

Also It’s just one frostbolt then wand wand wand wand wand wand wand at your level.

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Bro I legit lost it when I read this :joy::joy:

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sure, but that extra .5 - 1 sec kill me lol.

i love full frost… fire is only for ice resistant mobs, consequently my fireballl is low ranked and i only use fireblast for the instant cast to snipe.

i’ve been fire in other xpacs, but frost is best for me in classic.
edit - grr unintuitive quotes

You aren’t speaking to someone who didn’t actually raid in Vanilla as a warlock, because I did since it was my main for some time before BC launched. So your post trying to make it sound as if I was oblivious didn’t work very well.

While a warlock will definitely be using shadowbolt a lot in raids, it’s not all you use. I understand there is the debuff limit, but I remember needing a dot timer in my raiding guild because I needed to keep them refreshed at all times. If I remember right, depending on the number of warlocks in our raid that night, each lock was assigned a certain curse, dot, etc. Did we throw up all our dots? No. But we did use them split up between the locks and then we have other abilities that aren’t dots. It’s not just shadowbolt spamming all the time.

You seem to have also forgotten about the crowd control portion with the warlocks as well.

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Forgot to add to my above post that raiding isn’t all there is in Classic as well. Try using 1-2 abilities in pvp aa a warlock and see how good that turns out for you. I did quite a bit of pvp back then on mine and had a blast.

A good warlock, or any class for that matter, knows how to use their toolset to their advantage instead of following some meta.

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Sounds like you need a few levels.

And how is that different compared to retail? Classic babies make it sound like you literally have 1-2 buttons to press in retail.

Just look at any of the logs and you’ll see at least double or triple the number of spells a retail lock casts in any situation

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Thats paladin.

Dude, needing to use more abilities in PvP only applies classic not retail.

/s

Yeah. This is my 1st time in Vanilla. I’m so much more used to BC & WOTLK.

I’ve always gone Fire except for my very first and awful mage build with pyroblast, blast wave, presence of mind, and I think I had cold snap because I had frost talents too. But after other players saw me using instant cast pyroblasts in PVP, they told me I was gimping my mage by not going full fire, frost, or arcane (I didn’t even Google 3 minute mage, I was just super noob then lol).

Anyways, back on topic. For Classic, I’m leaning heavily into going full frost for the 1st time. But I’m going to miss having my Blast Wave for when my Frost Nova is on cooldown. I haven’t even used my talent points yet until I decide on a Full Fire, Full Frost, Elemental Mostly Fire, or Elemental Mostly Frost Build.

correction. frostbolt, wand wand wand dead. next

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The Classic warlock is a blast to play for me. The retail warlock is very boring to me and not enjoyable at all. I have tried to like it for years but it just isn’t fun.

You can call me a Classic baby all you like (gotta love how people resort to that type of thing when people disagree with them by the way, it’s funny), but at least in Classic I have fun and the class is more interesting. And as I said before, there is more to the game than raiding. PvP on a warlock in Classic is tons more fun and you have many more abilities at your disposal and a good warlock will use them well. You aren’t locked out of spells by being a “specialization.”

I could care less if the retail lock has one or one hundred spells. It bores me to tears and I’m not going to play what isn’t fun.

You tried to exaggerate things that wasn’t true and you thought you was talking to someone new to Vanilla warlocks, then get bent out of shape when the person isn’t oblivious.

Gotta love these forums :slight_smile:

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At least you aren’t hindered in having all of your abilities by being a specialization. At least in Classic I can use my affliction, demonology and destruction talents in both pve and pvp. Can you do that in retail? Nah, didn’t think so.

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So you do care quite a bit then if you could care less than you currently do?

Trying to sound smart when you are an ignoramus is really entertaining.

Indeed, with folks like you around

Sounds exactly like what you are doing with the whole “classic locks have many more abilities at your disposal and a good warlock will use them well“ as if the same wasnt true for retail and retail lock is “soooooo boring”

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For dungeon mobs that bleed:
Feral Faerie Fire, Rake, Shred, Shred, Ferocious Bite

For dungeon mobs that don’t bleed:
Feral Faerie Fire, Tiger’s Fury, then Shred while keeping Tiger’s Fury up

For dungeon bosses:
Feral Faerie Fire, Rake, Shred, Shred, Rake, Rip, … continue until dead

For dungeon bosses that don’t bleed:
Feral Faerie Fire, Tiger’s Fury, Shred while keeping Tiger’s Fury up, then Ferocious Bite

For outdoor mobs:
Stealth, Ravage, Rake, Feral Faerie Fire, Claw, Claw, Ferocious Bite

For outside mobs that don’t bleed:
Stealth, Ravage, Tiger’s Fury, Feral Faerie Fire, auto-attack, then work in Claw while keeping Tiger’s Fury up.

cheap shot
dodge, parry
SS
dodge,parry
Three point kidney shot
SS
dodge,dodge,pinto,dodge
SS SS
Bleed dot
dodge,dodge,ford galaxy,parry
One combo speedy blades
Mob starts running away from white damage, 15 AGGRO
VANISH

I love it!

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and it doesent change, even at 60. frostbolt, frostbolt, frostbolt, its the same for me, but change frost to shadow.

If you are still level 11, you should probably level up more to get more skills before complaining on the forums.

Edit: Forum bug not updating level

Your only job is to conjure water. What was miscommunicated to you?