It is a truthful thing that lock self healing is too strong and that scorpid pets remain broken. Him being a warrior has nothing to do with the fact that those things need to be addressed.
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Says the hunter class with I believe a busted pet? 
PvP is a side game that most players don’t engage with any more than they need to for rewards for PvE, if at all. Nothing that happens in it matters beyond the rewards it gives, especially not the balance, because only a small group of turbosweats care and they aren’t the audience this game is meant for.
You could say the same exact thing about raiding really. And if this was retail I might agree with you.
But Classic is more PvP focused, and SoD essentially even more pvp focused than standard classic so the argument doesn’t apply here.
This has nothing to do with Warriors not being good. Warriors are in a fine spot.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out, and we’ll be watching to laugh at you when youre right back in here again in a few weeks whining some more.
You are incorrect about every point in this post. Classic has never ever been concerned with pvp except for the rewards. If ranking didnt give gear practically nobody would be doing it except gankers and a handful of sweaties.
Future expansions have a bit more pvp involvement with stuff like arenas and rated battleground teams which introduced some level of interest beyond that but its still not much, more than Classic though.
When has Blizzard ever balanced around level 25? lol
Classic has never ever been concerned with pvp except for the rewards.
And? That is EVERYTHING in WoW. Or are you somehow suggesting people would spend hours a week doing PvE raiding if it weren’t about REWARDS? And what do they do when they all finish getting their stuff from MC? THEY STOP RUNNING IT. So its identical to PvP really.
They made it so people could level doing PvP and the rewards from PvP are very comparable to raiding. There is absolsutely nothing to say you can’t enjoy WoW primarily as a PvP game and for a VERY long time there was a very large and strong community that did until retail kind of ruined it overtime but of course neither Classic or SoD is current retail.
Future expansions have a bit more pvp involvement
So wrong; every future expansion that has flying mounts has less pvp involvment because players no longer run into each other on the ground. SoD especially has alliance and horde players competing for the same drops for their rune quests adding more friction and reason for world pvp. Not only is there more PvP but the PvP is actually over resources and farming/questing spots.
Anyone who says Classic/SoD, with its MASSIVE amounts of world Pvp relative to any retail xpac in years, is not pretty PvP focused is just wrong.
rated battleground teams
See, Arena, WG, AB, are the worst of WoW pvp. So boring. So repetitive. Lacking any scale or character.
WoW pvp is meant to be like Dark Age of Camelot. It needs to be big. AV. Wintergrasp. None of this e-sports sweat small team BS. This isn’t the game for that. Go play overwatch or something actually suited to that. SoD is all about the world PvP and large scale PvP and its rocking.
Wtf are you talking about dude this is CLASSIC SOD not retail. If anything devs should just be doing super minor changes throughout the phase and MAYBE some bigger changes with the leveling patches.
lol wrong about everything once again. Especially the bit about AV - the battleground where the least amount of actual pvp happens because everyone is rushing caps, just like the new Ashenvale event in SoD.
Very few people actually want to do PvP, they do it to get better at raiding, which is the real draw for most people. Especially when you look at the r14 grinding in classic with most people doing it trying to optimize honor through tons of things that dont involve fighting players.
Especially the bit about AV - the battleground where the least amount of actual pvp happens because everyone is rushing caps, just like the new Ashenvale event in SoD.
NOT how it was in OG classic or in Classic 2019/20 really.
In OG Classic that strategy didn’t exist. In 2019/20 Classic Horde que times were so long and the rush strategy favored Alliance such that Horde would often turtle rather than lose and go back to another 40+ min que. And it was great! AV with actual PVP is peak WoW PvP.
Very few people actually want to do PvP, they do it to get better at raiding, which is the real draw for most people.
God no you have it so backwards. People only raid to get gear; and the gear is only really good to rock other players. You don’t need the gear to clear the raid; you already clear it without the gear to get it in the first place. Who cares how hard you hit a computer mob or how many times you kill them compared to killing other players.
If someone had ALL the gear they had out of raids they would never have a reason to raid again and would go PvP to enjoy what they had gotten. Raiding is one of the most boring an awful aspect of WoW that ALWAYS turns in a monotonous job/farm.
Wait, you 1v1’d a Warlock as a Warrior at level 25…and lost??
Damn, that’s crazy. This never would’ve happened in vanilla. SoD is broken!
This is not how the overwhelming majority of people play this game, as evidenced by the immense dropoff in pvp participation as soon as the rewards stopped having pve impact and the continued participation of people in raids even after theyve gotten their meaningful gear upgrades.
This is not how the overwhelming majority of people play this game
You have no data to support that.
As evidenced by the immense dropoff in pvp participation as soon as the rewards stopped having pve impact
Evidence wold also show they stop doing PvE when they stop needing rewards and at that point the only thing left to do is PvP.
the continued participation of people in raids even after theyve gotten their meaningful gear upgrades.
No guilds do raid tiers anymore when they got most of what they need from them and they are always VERY HAPPY to never have to go back lol.
are you really going to sit there and tell me people didn’t spam AV afk running to base to get their honor, not to get their rewards for PVE and never do it again? raiding absolutely is the big draw to the game not to say some people don’t do BGs for fun especially when they squeezed all the other content out of the game, but yeah there’s a reason why classic is so raidlog-y if I asked my guild how many people have been doing BGs in SOD I’ll get maybe 1 person who’ll say they did it once and never did it again when they realized how little rep it gives
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are you really going to sit there and tell me people didn’t spam AV afk running to base to get their honor
Didn’t in Classic 2019/20 Horde or OG Vanilla.
are you really going to sit there and tell me people didn’t spam AV afk running to base to get their honor
They totally did do it again tho. What people actually NEVER do again once they get the rewards is PvE content. Because the rewards is the ONLY reason to do it. Meanwhile in PvP just about everyone gets something out of using all their hard earned rewards to dunk on other players.
raiding absolutely is the big draw to the game
Literally what people say is the words about the game. Raiding, and the consumables prep for raiding, is awful. No one likes doing it for the sake of doing it. 1000% about the rewards to a much greater degree than anything pvp related.
reason why classic is so raidlog-y
People raid log because they want to get DONE with the boring AF PvE crap as fast as possible. Go infront of any major city. People there usually dueling for fun. No rewards. Because PvP is fun. PvE is boring and literally no one would ever do it ever if there were no drops/rewards.
People did city Raids and its often peoples favorite memories of Vanilla and Classic 19/20 FOR NO REWARDS.
This whole forums is pretty dumb. Heinous people acting like it’s okay to punish a class because people who re-played classic over and over figured out a meta. 20 mage meta was more of a thing on live or back in the days than classic but most clowns can’t realize this.
Anyways, Op, 1v1 is not really a fair balance in classic era, even with SoD it is not. The game is tuned around teamplay. Make friends or a guild and stop trying to think you’re a chad. Hot news, you’re not. You’ll die a lot as a level 25 warrior because your rage generation sucks and you pretty much got access to 1 enrage and don’t have berserker rage. Interrupt takes a full GCD until we get pummel. There’s not much you can do by yourself.
Warrior does pretty good to be honest. The only problem is dying to the stupid scorpid pet that makes no sense but apparently that’s everyone and not just our class.
it’s boring when you’ve done the content 90000 billion times ala ulduar but getting together with your friends to do raiding is the biggest draw to the game, SOOOOOOOOOO much of the classic identity revolves around the parsing culture. people who consistently do BGs every day or whatever for the fun of it probably are enjoying the game more than the average parse baby/loot obsessed PVEr, but those are a minority; do you really think a lot of people are engaging with SOD BGs especially compared to BFD?