So, I can't have my character at max ilvl?

Ok bro, I’ll keep trying to improve without focusing on gear and without doing Mythic raids. Let’s see how it goes. I think my doubts are cleared.

Doesn’t “pushing to the limit” also imply doing the hardest, most difficult stuff to get there? I mean there was even a song about it. But you are opting not to do that. No shade there by the way. You can define your limit in other ways. The content you choose to do has its own limit. Aim for that. That’s what filks who do delves only also aim for.

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You could do what most people do now adays and just use gold to buy mythic carries for gear.

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Raid Mythic isn’t difficult if it’s artificially blocked. My point is that if I want to push higher Mythic+ keys, I had to get raid gear first, which is gated behind a system I cannot fully access. That’s what makes it different from just challenging content — it’s not about skill, it’s about barriers.

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Your issues arent gear issues.

Use OBR, you would actually improve.

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You do not.

Go do like a +18 or something. And once you do that, complain gear is holding you back from a +19.

By the time you do that, you’ll have gotten the gear you’re complaining about anyway.

Playing an unfair game isn’t fun, so for that, I suggest playing Fellowship and not WOW. (Fellowship is m+ the game.)

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What you’re missing is that live seasons for an MMO are about making the items work that you manage to get. You must’ve watched too much pro play because those guys purposefully level up like 2 or 3 of the same class and do splits where they funnel gear to their best players with master loot and nobody else gets loot for the run. They literally enlist the help of their community that are willing to waste their first lockouts of the season to help the top guilds. THOSE people are the only people in full BiS and not even every season. Live is about itemizing based on what you get. Even normal, run-of-the-mill Mythic raiding guild members don’t touch full BiS. You’re talking about a different game at that point that’s about to come out called Fellowship. You want to use full BiS? Work on getting into the MDI or TGP brackets. Do I think Mythic raiding is insanely gatekept? Hell yeah. I never want to do it though and I’m 3000 rated this season on a bottom tier class.

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Why can’t you access it? Other people do. I see you’re 6/8 in heroic manaforge. Once your group is done there, why not keep pushing higher?

This is not true.

M raiders must do m+, the loot from raiding is not enough to gear up all the raiders anymore. You get what you want if you get funneled (early weeks), then if you are in a really good guild.

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Last season I had an alt that was 675 Ilvel without touching any group content. The game has never been as easy to solo and gear than at any time.

edit - For comparison, my Main which DID do M+ and Raids, was 680. Not really a big difference.

I’ve seen so far that to do a Mythic raid, you first need to join a guild, do a job interview, start at low loot priority, set up tons of WeakAuras, prove yourself to the guild, and fit in. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s why it’s not fully accessible to me.

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But you already have a raid group, don’t you? Or have you just been pugging heroic?

Psst, people have all the loot, so you get like everything. You just don’t get first dibs on contested stuff which is… fair.

LFG, i don’t have a raid group.

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Heh, I’ll be honest. I don’t really consider LFG group content :slight_smile:

You are wrong.

I am happy I could clarify that for you.

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Okay… Thanks…

Older than WoW, a 21 year old game? Raiding was the only way to get the best loot in this game since Onyxia and Molten Core.

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You do know how HARD a Mythic raid is right? There is a reason for all of that rigamole. And the reward for doing all that? About a snowball’s chance in Death Valley of actually getting what you want.

It’s not easy. And if you don’t want to have to do a job interview and research to do all that, you DONT HAVE TO. Just ignore that segment of the game. The only reason for Mythic gear is to do Mythics.

I think there is something to be said that there’s a spot where a lot people doing keys just have to kinda wait to see what they get in their vault because there’s no other way to get upgrades.

That definitely is something to be looked into.

I’m just doing delves at the moment and getting maxed out Hero gear is relatively easy for me just doing my T11s every week. I think the reward structure if you’re just doing delves is in a really good spot, the gear progression feels nice and it keeps in mind that people who are only doing delves probably want to play casually and just do 8ish delves throughout the week.

M+ needs something similar. People who do their weekly 10s should feel more progress for longer outside of just waiting to see what they get in their vault.