RMT was a widespread issue well before GDKP was popularised.
Moreover, a cursory Google search yields multiple WoW Anniversary Server RMT sites despite the GDKP ban.
It’s okay to dislike GDKP, and there is definitely an intersection of RMT and GDKP, but let’s not propegate misinformation and specious arguments.
i dont think saying gdkp is the primary driver of rmt is misinformation
Of course it was. It was inflamed in classic and ruined classic realms later as a result of GDKP.
Cool. I never once made the claim that there wouldn’t be RMT on fresh. I said that there are no advertisements in chat channels for RMT sites.
It’s all over the place on Era, where it’s allowed. I wonder why that is? Oh yea it’s bc GDKP is in era.
The word “marriage” works more accurately when describing RMT and GDKP. The two are inseparable and inextricably linked to the point of “without RMT, you won’t have GDKP.” Period.
I prefer instead to just ignore completely all forms of intellectual dishonesty. If you want to pretend that RMT and GDKP briefly intersect, cool. I don’t value that opinion because you know it’s bs.
If you have data to prove that statement, I’ll gladly recant.
The primary pro-GDKP argument is that it could exist without RMT if Blizzard effectively enforced the latter, which is a perfectly valid position IMO.
It’s worth noting that Blizzard’s primary reason for banning GDKP was not RMT but to preserve “traditional guild and social structures”.
I wouldnt have that data because im not blizzard, but it seems intuitive that items costing thousands of gold would be a primary driver instead of mats and one time expenses like mounts
That’s fair, but I feel it’s a bit dismissive. Boosting, epic mounts, purchasing new abilities, BoEs - there are lots of expensive items to incentivise purchasing thousands of gold with RMT without ever stepping food in a raid.
Except SoD proved banning GDKP’s doesn’t have any impact on RMT.
Don’t worry you’ll see just as many bots on the Anniversary realms since blizzard refuses to actually deal with them.
I told you, I’m not entertaining intellectual dishonesty.
It’s easy to say GDKP would work fine with no RMT, because that situation will never actually exist…
As you pointed out earlier, RMT existed before GDKPs. It’s been a 20 year situation. They’ll never stamp it out completely.
But spend 10 minutes in trade on fresh and 10 on era and see if you notice a difference in the posting.
Granted, no raids are open in fresh yet so we’ll see how it bares out. That said, I’ll eat my desk if it happens because GDKP is the primary driver of RMT in classic and you know it.
Another stupid argument.
Blizzard never said the GDKP ban was to outright remove RMT from the game entirely.
Your claim that it has had no impact on RMT is actually you saying “if GDKP bans happen RMT has to result in zero parts per million or we need GDKPs back because it had no impact.
That’s the argument of a stupid person.
They never stated it was going to absolutely obliterate it from happening. But if RMT is reduced by even 20% that’s still a huge victory vs the alternative.
BOEs would cost less than epics i would assume. would epic mounts or an epic weapon like BRE, perds, mageblade, etc (especially considering how many people want to pvp with the best gear) be more of an attraction for illicit gold? i feel like boosting and abilities are a non-factor even compared to profession mats. many of the people who would do horrible things like buy gold are the same that would take multiple characters into these gdkps with illegal gold
There’s still plenty of RMT and botting in SoD, which proves that GDKP is not a major contributor to it.
And like I said expect plenty of it to happen in the anniversary realms because the issue is blizzard’s lack of enforcement not some raid loot system.
That’s not intellectual dishonesty. It’s policy. It’s fundamentally similar the debate to legalise marijuana - can you regulate it safely without encouraging the negative criminal side effects, since most studies reinforce now that marijuana itself is at least no more dangerous than alcohol.
There is nothing wrong with GDKP in principle.
There’s plenty of RMT and botting in every version of WoW, the same as there has been for 20 years. It sucks, but in classic RMT has raged like an all consuming inferno because gold buyers decided they’d just prefer to pay for gear instead of committing to a raid schedule and farming gold because they don’t have time for MMO’s any longer.
The existence of RMT despite a GDKP ban doesn’t prove this at all lol. RMT existed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before GDKP did in WoW (and don’t kid yourself, it was never mainstream until late in the 2019 version of classic.)
Oh I think Blizzard does a bad job of rooting you cheaters out. Believe me, I’d be quite happy if you and the people who want to do GDKP’s were banned for the gold buying and selling you engage in. You know they won’t though, so you take the position that it’s blizzard’s fault and not the player’s fault.
It’s definitely both, but the players ruined classic. Not Blizzard.
Literally all this guy can do to defend his perspective is call the people with the opposing view point liars. How could he lose when everyone that contradicts him is just a liar?
It’s intellectual dishonesty. It’s like someone claiming to be a philosophical anarchist. They can say that because they know that their preferred system of governance will never exist, so they never have to run the risk of being proven wrong.
I’ll call anyone who says they see RMT advertisement sites on fresh a liar. There aren’t any. None whatsoever. If you make the claim that there are…well. I guess that means you’re a liar.
My perspective doesn’t need defending, especially not in front of people who don’t mind ruining the game with RMT/GDKP (same thing.)
That’s a false equivalence, though, because Blizzard feasibly could do a lot more to counter RMT than they do right now.
GDKP isn’t unique - Blizzard has a history of making policy decisions that hurt genuine players and seemingly do very little to stop RMT/botters (instance lockouts, reducing item droprates in chests, disallowing new accounts from trading, etc.)
Also, once more - Blizzard’s primary reason for banning GDKP was about preserving “traditional guild and social structures”. So this whole RMT conversation is intellectual dishonesty, really.
Nah you had it right with this and as I went to agree with it you changed it to something else.
RMT/GDKP (same thing)
But it’s true.
Blizzard didn’t ban GDKP because of RMT. So why are we talking about it?
It seems like you are the one arguing in bad faith here, because you are overlooking all the data points that don’t align with your position.