So how exactly is GDKP banned?

Partner the only fact you could present to me is that you’re mad you can’t RMT your way to bis and ruin fresh for everyone else.

I raid Naxx on Era and had a guild on SOD so wasn’t issue for me. It was a major issue for a huge player base who couldn’t get into raids (especially if they hadn’t done it yet). Check the forums from back then, it was a major issue and was a huge reason we lost a lot of players.

I mean poor performers do not get into the better raids so as the raid availability is reduced those players quit

Way the game always been

I don’t care about fresh. I was never planning on playing it. So I don’t know who you think you’re talking to. You seem to have me confused with someone else.

The facts that I present to you you’re unable to accept because you feel that they contradict your special tiny little world. I’ve told you many times that I do not RMT yet I’ve done many GDKPs. So have many others. You seem to be unable to accept that.

You also seem to believe that anyone who does GDKP without RMTing is still responsible for RMT. I don’t believe that dealing with RMTers is my responsibility. I completely reject the notion that it’s my responsibility. Never in the history of online video games has anyone expected the players of a game to enforce and uphold the rules. That is a completely unreasonable expectation. That isn’t the player’s job. That’s Blizzard’s job. My only job is to follow the rules. I report what I can, but ultimately it is Blizzard’s job. We literally pay them to do it.

You’ve got your GDKP free fresh servers. Go have fun on them. I hope you enjoy your experience. I’m going to keep enjoying Era. The reduced population has been great for farming. So many black lotus and arcane crystals!

So why are you here?

You

No, you’re an RMT cheater. I mean to speak to you.

You hav en’t presented one.

Yea sorry I don’t buy that people engage in GDKP without RMT. I think that there is a direct link between RMT and everyone who does gdkp.

Finally, a point of agreement. Not that I care what GDKP shills agree with.

Yikes. That’s cringey.

You do realize it’s probably like 90% of active 60s with raid gear on Era that have done a GDKP here or there right? So you’re actually saying you believe 90% of Era players RMT? Like they actually go on gold selling websites and buy gold with their credit cards? You actually believe that? I mean the presence of bots tells us there are certainly some but to say that it’s everyone is quite an extraordinary claim, don’t you think?

Do you remember the scene in the Green Mile where Mr. Edgecombe says “Well yes. Yes I just about believe that very thing.”

That applies here.

Logging into Era and reading the endless RMT sites being advertised in trade chat tells me you guys aren’t reporting them because you’re buying/selling gold.

Not sure this is an indication of RMT as much as it is an indicator of Blizzard’s negligence. I’ve reported them just about every time I see them. They keep popping up. There’s no reason the same account should be able to send more than 2 messages before an account closure.

It is Blizzard’s negligence if nothing else.

It wasn’t blizzard that engaged in all the RMT antics in classic. It wasn’t blizzard that forced faction stacked pvp realms. It wasn’t blizzard that was boosting alts for thousands and thousands of RMT gold. It wasn’t blizzard that caused same faction bgs. Yes, they bare responsibility but the players themselves went out of their way to absolutely ruin classic.

I’m glad to see Blizzard getting in front of these issues now, early. Yes. They need to do something about the bots. Bots have been in this game for 20 years. You won’t find an MMO without them.

With that being said, their stance against these activities that encourage the F out of RMT is a step in the right direction. If they were to kill boosting in fresh, I’d say things would be about as good as they’re going to get.

Banning the auction house would actually complete the deal

Banning stupid arguments would really complete the deal.

How much gold do you think your guildies will buy this time around?

I’m just being honest

If we really want to curbstomp rmt, then gdkps, boosting, and the auction house could all go theoretically

Depends on if you’re actually a legitimate anti rmt player or a “I don’t like these activities” player

Because if edgemasters drops, you’re 100% going to sell them for 7500 organically farmed gold on the ah.

The fact that GDKP shills cling to this as their “gotcha” is beyond trite.

There are a few bad actors on the AH. Yep. Agreed. 100%. There has been for 20 years.

In GDKPs, there are 100% bad actors. It’s only been around for a few years. RMT in classic is like a raging inferno.

It doesn’t take any great stretch of the imagination to understand.

I’ll be the first one to tell you I hate GDKP and I despise the people that do it. They’re all a bunch of RMT cheaters.

Not as much as you and your guild have purchased over the years, that’s a certainty.

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I don’t do gdkps. Is it so hard to believe a neutral player can form this opinion and observation?

Where is the evidence for this? And how many are “a few” that use the AH?

Do we have any data?

Well it’s quite evident you do. However, I personally know people who don’t. So we now have conflicting experiences.

Just making a claim alone is not enough, you have to prove it when other parties have conflicting experiences

Most people know these claims are just absurd and silly tho. I don’t even run these gdkps cause I generally dont do alts often, and I still know of people who don’t buy gold because “they don’t have to, they make it in raid”

You could say they are getting gold from gold buyers, but then I can just say anything you sell on the AH is bought with rmt gold.

Do you see how silly that is?

It’s not a claim. It’s a fact. I haven’t said anything that isn’t purely factual.

Where’s the data?

How is it 100% if I know, literally at this very moment, of 6 people who don’t buy gold. Lol.

I require proof for this number alone since that is not 100% (your claim)

Blizzard told you that you weren’t allowed to do GDKP’s because it’s packed wall to wall with cheating RMT junkies.

Dog I don’t give a wet fart what you require. GDKP is for cheating gold buyers. That’s why it’s not in fresh.

That’s not what they said. You are putting words in blizzard mouth now.

In the classic classic blue post, there was no mention of RMT being the reason for the ban. Go look at it.

That’s now why they said it was banned tho

Also, you can’t prove your claim, and you’re extremely pissed about that

You also aren’t an anti rmt player, because you don’t want the auction house banned

You have sold an item on the AH before that was purchased with RMT gold. I have too. Should they burn us at the stake?

See how silly that is?