So how exactly is GDKP banned?

[Masquerade-benediction]

I am tempted to also level a mage and boost just to make you babies that whined about gdkps to ban them whine some more

Muh experience, there are people that are doing things differently than me and I don’t like it lets stop them!

[Handsome-proudmoore]

The bans are via player reports. One person reports a player or guild and Blizzard check logs. Blizzard said they have ways of knowing who has participated in GDKP. They will not reveal what those way are.

GDKP is now in the same boat as multiboxing (via software or hardware) , gold buying rmt and botting. A capital offence.

[Horace-remulos]

@Perkthirty-twisting-nether

Its not going to be possible.

At which point the question becomes to what length you harm legitimate users in order to curtail RMT. Blizzard could stop all RMT tomorrow by removing all player trading from the game, but I think we all agree that would be excessive. So - has the impact to RMT been sufficient to outweigh the harm to legitimate users?

@Perkthirty-twisting-nether

Lets not forget the other reason blizzard stated they banned gdkp. Its garbage for the community.

That is literally not what they said.

@Kaivax

It’s fair to say that GDKP has some benefits to individuals who don’t want to be tied to a guild or set raid schedule. GDKP raids are, while mostly transactional in nature, another social activity in the game, and we’re hesitant to discourage anything that gets people into groups to play together. However, we’ve been concerned that GDKP erodes traditional guild and social structures that are in many cases the basis of our most fond memories of early versions of World of Warcraft.

… which is a problematic statement. You can’t force players to play like they did 20 years ago. GDKPs actually did exist in Vanilla but nowhere near to the same extent because end-game content could not be consistently PuG’d, whereas it can be now.

How does Loot Council and DKP fit into a casual PuG Raid environment that never existed in 2005? SR/HR definitely weren’t promiment back then, either, when tracking such would require somebody to use an excel spreadsheet but now is streamlined via a 3rd party app. Should we ban SR/HR, too, in the name of preserving traditional social structures? And force all PuGs to use the in-built Need Before Greed system?

[Chøbøii-zuljin]

stop buying gold !

[Malsidious-dreamscythe]

A whole lot of swipers are mad they can’t pay to win anymore.

[Shredded-arugal]

RMT still a thing, wow!

Who would’ve known banning gdkps wouldn’t change anything.

If you don’t like gdkps, don’t join them? Unfortunately the loudest voices are often the most idiotic, such as the case with the gdkp ban outcries.

[Dorfpriest-living-flame]

@Shredded-arugal

Who would’ve known banning gdkps wouldn’t change anything.

I mean it changed quite a bit.

There aren’t constant GDKP spam messages in chat channels. There aren’t constant RMT advertisement site messages in chat channels. There isn’t a completely ruined economy.

Oh but you’re one of these idiot sock puppets who thinks if any RMT exists at all in game like it has for 20 years that GDKP should be allowed in game.

@Shredded-arugal

If you don’t like gdkps, don’t join them?

I have a better idea. If we don’t like GDKPs we just get them banned.

[Bhootam-emerald-dream (Bhootam)]

@Alsharptusk-fairbanks

As someone who has never and will never RMT I can tell you this is false. I assume I’m not the only person like me.

“As a twinker who never graveyard camps levellers with 25% of my HP who are trying out BGs causing them to stop queueing altogether I can tell you that I am not alone!”
Mate, give it up. If this were Skyrim you could do what you wanted in your single player experience but this is a multiplayer game where unwanted external consequences of your actions are real.
Quite apart from the RMT that is rampant with goldcapped raid leads and MTs selling gold at bulk rates to gold websites who resell that gold back to players at retail rates, the big problem is that the flood of botted gold into the economy inflates the price of everything for players who aren’t doing GDKPs or who are new.
Suddenly, everything from mage portals to demonic runes to raid consumes become too expensive for non-RMT non-GDKP players.
Also, you now have a group of geared players who can put a direct gold per hour value on their time. This means that a risk of a wipe from a guy learning to tank or a replacement priest not knowing how to properly MC on Razuvious isn’t an integral part of Classic gameplay, it’s a risk of a wipe that has a gold-per-hour cost. Now its not just those players who get antsy about parses and world buffs and everyone needing engineering, their alt in Wailing Caverns bails on the run because heals missed the jump designed to fool players. And this go go go attitude pushes everywhere blindly and rabidly until people lose sight of the fact that MC is designed to be completed by people in blues and greens on dialup connections who haven’t heard of the word “bis”.

[Pemmin-crusader-strike]

it had sufficient impact in SoD. The socio-economic aspect is/was much better then era and the economy is pretty stable with cheap consumes despite unintended other gold injection due to developer firetruck ups. the only people complaining now are the few that were involved in RMT and the occasional person who doesn’t actually want to invest time into their hobby and were traditional gold buyers. and to the OP gold transaction tracking and raid id cross referencing.

[Alsharptusk-fairbanks]

Too long. Didn’t read.

[Dorfpriest-living-flame]

Summed up he said that RMT cheat lords like yourself ruin the game for everyone else

[Alsharptusk-fairbanks]

Too long. Didn’t read.

[Goonunit-whitemane]

@Horace-remulos

GDKPs actually did exist in Vanilla but nowhere near to the same extent because end-game content could not be consistently PuG’d, whereas it can be now.

Wrong, GDKP didn’t start until WotLK and even then it wasn’t common until Classic.

[Jeddite-grobbulus]

I paid 5000G for my original pair of Nightsong shoulders (way back in 2010) so I’d have the 5/5 set and look simply magical in Dalaran.

[Horace-remulos]

@Pemmin-crusader-strike

with cheap consumes despite unintended other gold injection due to developer firetruck ups.

A couple of things:

1. You can’t compare the economy of a one year old in-progress experimental progression server against the economy of a six year old legacy server.
2. Inflation =/= RMT and inflation =/= bad in-game economy, since lowbies can sell Copper Ore on the AH for mutiple gold per stack and fund their entire levelling journey. The economy is organic and cuts all ways.
3. That argument doesn’t make any sense. When RMT’ers inject gold into the economy it gets inflated, but when the devs inject gold into the economy it doesn’t? (See point one).

[Drinknblink-nightslayer]

I still have 0 idea how they say it destroys an economy.

How does someone buying a sword in a gdkp increase the demand and lower the supply of Firewater Elixirs or mana potions??

In order for those prices to go up supply has to be far lower than demand. It has nothing to do with someone buying an item in a gdkp.

[Shredded-arugal]

Wahhh people play the game different to me.

Just because you can’t get invited to gdkp because you’re poor and can’t carry because to parse grey.

[Wokegangsta-anathema]

@Malsidious-dreamscythe

GDKP destroys fantasy, immersion and makes the game pay to win. Just say no to GDKPs.

Same could be said for Dual spec. Dual spec ruins the fantasy/rp. There are no more meaningful choices with your character. Swap specs freely and what not. The chronoboon displacer COMPLETELY ruins fantasy and immersion. This item has no lore. This item is pay to win in itself. You seem to only pick and choose what kill the fantasy and immersion in your opinion. But you dont look at the game as a whole.
Even setting faction caps destroys the immersion. This whole anniversary realm is not authentic to classic in anyway at all.

[Wokegangsta-anathema]

no. it is cheap cause no 1 is playing

[Shredded-arugal]

Yep, population drop off coincided heavily with gdkp ban. Look how great sod is doing now lmfao