Slavery in world of warcraft

Really?

Okay, let me ask you this. We don’t see crime being carried out by NPCs in WoW. We don’t see muggings happening in Stormwind, or assassinations happening in seedy back alleys. We don’t see people getting poisoned or people getting assaulted etc.

We have lore evidence of these things happening.

So just because you can’t see it in game, does that mean it doesn’t happen at all?

Slavery examples that can be found in the lore:

Orcs enslaved the Draenei to build a road out of the bones of every Draenei the Orcs killed.

Ogres will actively enslave anyone who is captured within their territory. Atleast that is the fate of the lucky ones who don’t immediately become an Ogre’s lunch… all slaves of Ogres are eventually eaten if they are not rescued or don’t escape first.

Trolls, various troll tribes have enslaved members of various different races at one point in time or another, sometimes even enslaving other Troll tribes.

Zandalari Trolls in particular enslaved the entire Goblin race at one point in their history.

Naga, much like Ogres, will enslave anyone who is captured within their territory, but unlike Ogres they will also actively go out and capture people who are NOT in their territory as well. It is currently unknown if Naga view their slaves as a food source or not.

Blood Elves have been known to enslave other Blood Elves who are of a lower caste than themselves. They have also been shown to enslave Trolls.

Elementals will sometimes enslave members of various races. The Dark Iron Dwarves were enslaved by Ragnaros for much of their history, though their servitude was consensual at first.

Harpies have been known to enslave lone travelers passing through their territory. On occasion they have been seen to be more aggressive about enslaving others.

Humans have in the past treated prisoners of various races as slave labor. In some regions this still happens.

Gnomes and Dwarves alike have attempted to enslave Troggs and have also been themselves enslaved by Troggs.

The Forsaken have on numerous occasions been treated as nothing more than slave labor by the entirety of the Horde.

Mogu built their entire empire on slavery, and still capture other races to use as slaves today.

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You clearly have not read their lore at all if you think that. They straight up enslaved the entire goblin race when they first found them.

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The Zandalari are above the use of slaves, they’re strong and capable of seeing to themselves. Even the sight of slavery within their city is insulting to them. Additionally, they see it as a sign of weakness, and as such when they met the mogu–who built their empire with slaves–over 12,000 years ago, they saw themselves above the slavers.

Though for some reason, years after the Sundering over 10,000 years ago, a number of Zandalari came to Kezan and after some time ended up enslaving the goblins there. Why they did so is unknown, as it was against the Zandalari’s beliefs.

The Zandalari as a whole are anti-slavery. A small group of them apparently did enslave the goblins, but their culture and beliefs are very much anti-slavery.

You have lore evidence of slavery in Stormwind? Please point this out.

Funny how we can have crime, homelessness, love, hate, mourning, religion, commerce, death, and all that portrayed, but somehow slavery, even though it would have big implications, is neither depicted, nor mentioned anywhere.

But maybe I’ve missed it all these years. Tell us how the open slavery in normal human society is evidenced in lore.

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I’m not going to continue responding to you, since you’re completely ignoring the points I’m making. This is going nowhere.

Have a nice night.

So when asked for even one bit of evidence you can’t back up what you say? :thinking:

Good night.

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Everyone knows there are no slaves…only humans grown as cabbages in Hillsbrad Foothills. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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And there you go drawing a comparison to real life, exactly the kind of response OP was hoping to get. His bait and switch is now complete.

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“Small group” is debatable… depending on what site you quote your information from. The source actually linked in your own quote in fact doesn’t even make mention of it being a “small group”. Nor do any of the lore book found in game that detail the events.

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The Zandalari are above the use of slaves, they are strong and capable of seeing to themselves. And as such, the sight of slavery within their city is insulting to them. Additionally, they see the usage of slaves as a sign of weakness. Thus, when they met the mogu–who built their empire with slaves–over 12,000 years ago, they saw themselves above the slavers.

Despite this, shortly after the Sundering, and up until they rebelled 100 years before the Dark Portal, they did enslave the goblins of Kezan. This discrepancy was not addressed.

It is entirely possible that the Zandalari infact are NOT actually anti-slavery like they claim to be, but instead use that claim and belief as a way to express their superiority complex over other races. They just prefer to keep their slavery hidden away. Kezan being a tiny volcanic island in the middle of nowhere was remote enough that no one would ever witness their enslavement of the Goblins… and it was the only place on Azeroth that produced Kajemite, which they built their entire city out of… (those golden walls are NOT gold)

Also do note… the lore states “the sight of slavery WITHIN THEIR CITY is insulting to them”. It doesn’t actually say they don’t practice slavery themselves, simply that it is not practiced within their city. And again, they saw themselves as above the mogu slavers when they saw them doing it… this doesn’t mean they can’t be hypocrites. The Zandalari are known to have a superiority complex, it is one of the driving aspects of their race. All other races are beneath them, and anything they can use to further their superiority they will, regardless of how hypocritical it may be.

Sorry, is there ingame or book lore that says they built their city out of Kajamite? I was not aware of any.

So a race that canonically sees slavery as a weakness in the current day, and can’t stand the practice, is lying to everyone, and themselves, and secretly they’re fully supportive of slavery, because 10,000 years ago some of their number enslaved the Goblins.

If they were enslaving the goblins in current lore, I reckon you might have a stronger point.

This mirrors exactly what the Night Elves were doing back in that period as well. The Night Elves during the height of the Kaldorei Empire enslaved nascent humans to do their bidding. They don’t have slaves now, 10,000 years later. There’s no evidence supporting that the Night Elves still engage in slavery (although they haven’t spoken out against the practice either).

It is possible, over the course of 10,000 years, for a society to change and go from being pro-slavery, to being anti-slavery. Hell, to use a real world example, America went from being pro-slavery, to being anti-slavery within a century or two, give or take.

you assume i was looking for real-life comparisons, really i was just looking for examples of the races continuing to have crap-disturbers in their factions taking pows as slaves, and selling them secretly amongst eachother.

Asking for a friend?

“Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!”

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Again, this is absolutely not correct… indentured worker =/= slave…

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yes. asking for a friend… they want to make an evil character, and was looking for examples of slavers in WoW’s player races.

And further, pretty much the same quest is repeated from the Alliance perspective, with the Horde being the ones to force labor on Pandaren

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An indentured worker is a slave. It’s a fancy way of saying that you’re a slave.

Also, the Pandaren were not indentured workers, they weren’t there under a contract and when they wanted to leave the Alliance forced them to stay and as they had the weapons and the Pandaren did not, they didn’t have much of a say in the matter.

When you’re forced to work without pay, under threat of punishment or death, what do you think that is exactly?

And no, an indentured worker is not a slave, for one thing an indentured worker is usually paid, a slave is not.

At best the Alliance version on Horde side is just a labor dispute where the contracted: did not know what they were building and didn’t work out the details of breaks before hand…

Yeah, doesn’t exist. There are no characters that operate as a “slaver” in Warcraft