SL ruined for casuals to appease hardcore community

[Ahnohla-hyjal]

@Dokthar-wyrmrest-accord

or unsub.

Or in my case go play FF

[Dokthar-wyrmrest-accord]

i plan to get back to ff with you eventually. XD i just realized i screwed up leveling and will be 03498530945 level by the time i get my mount and it kinda took the wind out of my sails. lol

[Duvainíl-moon-guard]

Some casuals like myself like gear to reduce rotations in the open world.

We don’t need mythic raid level. We just want that say 8 rotation mob in a wq being more like 5. Okay I’d push for 4…and we settle on 5.

Now we can see what we get off the renown 10 unlocks soon. Hopefully a nice gear setup helps more here.

I just want to see more open world since RNG in heroic hates me on needed slots. If RNG won’t give my helm over 3 days in dungeon…it be nice to go oh, its in this WQ.

[Dokthar-wyrmrest-accord]

you can fill in pieces with pvp that you’re having trouble with. i think you can get to 184 rn with renown being as it is? you’re ally so you get quick queues and extra honor.

[Zedthrax-haomarush]

@Mirella-myzrael

Personal loot drop rate has been lowered to 15%. Bonus rolls were removed entirely. It will take months and luck to earn a full set of gear. On some weeks, even a full raid clear may not provide a single upgrade.

I right now ATM am a Casual. This is the way the game used to be. It’s suppose to take time to gear, for everyone.

@Mirella-myzrael

“Mythic Plus gear invalidates the prestige of rewards earned by raiders, as the power gap is not wide enough.”

I don’t believe this is the average raider’s point of view of Mythic +. This is a raider’s point of view for Titan forging.

@Mirella-myzrael

“I don’t want to have to do these boring activities for the chance that I will get an upgrade.” “Casual players do not need gear because they are just collecting toys and appearances.”

Again, I think this is someone’s perception they made up of a raider’s opinion I don’t think this is the average raider’s opinion at all.

@Mirella-myzrael

In Legion, players could earn even the most powerful legendaries for free through emissaries, dungeons, raid finder, and many other end-game activities that they already enjoyed. (Organized raiding still provided the highest chance of obtaining a legendary.) In BfA, even casual players could earn and upgrade their legendary cloak.)

@Mirella-myzrael

“I want to be able to target my BiS legendary right away.” “I hate having to do chores to upgrade my cloak every week.”

@Mirella-myzrael

Legendary recipes only drop from certain sources, such as raiding, without bad luck protection. Soul ash must be earned every week by clearing Torghast, the higher amounts of which require a high level of gear. The material necessary for crafting a legendary requires either endless hours of farming, or huge amounts of gold that casual players may not have.

I don’t think any of that is accurate or true.

@Mirella-myzrael

WoW appealed to a wide variety of players. Even solo players, players without a lot of time to play each day,

This is a biased opinon

@Mirella-myzrael

“Why does Blizzard always cater to the casuals?” “Nothing outside of raiding should provide good gear.”

Only a very very small portion of Elitists believe this.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Murderlator-proudmoore

If you want all the stuff “hardcore” gamers get, but you don’t want to do the stuff they seem to need to do… you’re ambition and lack of follow through is your problem, not the content.

People doing the same things get less loot by design. That’s not their lack of ambition, it’s Blizz removing rewards.

[Liahona-emerald-dream]

The world quests and torghast take far too long. World quests are also getting to be like vanilla where you need to search the web all the time.

I think they bounced too far in a good direction, and far surpassed what would be ideal. I can’t even finish the callings half the time.

[Duvainíl-moon-guard]

Started that up. I die a lot. But…I try to make sure I don’t die alone.

also I want that spider bad…

[Dokthar-wyrmrest-accord]

the nice thing about pvp is you can die 3945734985734985734957345 times and it costs like 1g in repairs. unlike getting a special tank in a heroic and costing tons of gold.

[Ulgag-illidan]

@Tupacshekar-tichondrius

people crying and whining about a lack of loot and balance

Honestly slower loot progression is fine.

The real problem is Torghast is a chore for some. It should just be another source of soul ash but not required. Maybe it’s the best source of soul ash even but there should be more sources and if they wanted they could cap it so no one has to do everything.

PvP gearing has the best system right now. The only downsides are raiting requirements. All PvP gear should be upgradable to the max ilvl. High rating is for the appearances only and higher ratings should just increase your conquest cap to get more gear and upgrade it faster.

If they applied a similar currency system for PvE with a vendor having limited low level gear that can be upgraded to just the max ilvl(other than the final bosses of each mythic raid tier. They could keep a 3 ilvl difference for that) the game would be perfect. Harder content completed could increase your weekly cap for PvE valor points so you can upgrade drops or buy gear and upgrade it faster.

The best gear has always been about it’s appearances as much as power. If the best players can get their gear faster than anyone and have unique appearances why would they care that a casual player can grind or work towards similar power?

We need more deterministic gearing, and an ability for every player no matter their skill a way for them to gain equivalent power levels at least near the end of every tier.

[Tupacshekar-tichondrius]

@Ulgag-illidan

We need more deterministic gearing, and an ability for every player no matter their skill a way for them to gain equivalent power levels at least near the end of every tier.

This is why the Vault exists.

[Shieldspam-shuhalo]

I dont understand what you mean by its a job, both legion and BfA were worse in terms of weekly/daily chores with the endless AP grind and emissaries. Now you only really “need” to do torghast and your covenant campaign stuff. The specialized event for the covenant, the mission table, the callings, the maw, and world quests are all optional (much more optional than in legion as they provide almost no benefit to player power excluding the maw which can eventually provide sockets). This expansion has the least “required” content meaning you are freer to do whatever content you want to do.

[Ulgag-illidan]

Still not good enough though cause the ilvl is static with no way to upgrade the gear. Currency works better. Kind of like how MoP upgrading worked.

Also for someone so in love with this game why post on a lvl 35 alt all the time?

[Glortia-moknathal]

Todays hotfix made torghast is more difficult. Many of the enemies got hitpoints buffs and they increased hitpoints for healers and increased damage done to tanks.

Recent interview they won’t budge on any of the issues players have. They would rather watch the games subs crash than admit they were wrong. I really loath the current dev staff this game has.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

It’s actually been great. Even though burst is out of control, I’m having a great time

[Dokthar-wyrmrest-accord]

you playing MM i take it? you can look at me. most of my gear is honor gear. i’m doing the grind too on my own time. it’s a great time to do pvp. this expansion has been fantastic to me so far.

[Darvile-moon-guard (Darvile)]

Not sure about your content but love the formatting, OP!

People are gonna play the game without the need for pot stirring.
Thanks.

[Lythalie-earthen-ring]

Are people actually serious about this idea that Shadowlands is an elitist expansion? I get 184 ilvl on par with mythics by doing random bgs.

[Verdayll-moknathal]

@Averyx-quelthalas

@Mirella-myzrael

“The game is raining loot.” “I geared up too quickly and have nothing to do.” “Gear is too easy for everyone to come by these days, and purple means nothing.”

Pve gear drops were just absurd TBH. Had a big impact on pvp, glad it was reduced.

i sure as hell am not, literally been running dungeons most the day and only had 2 or 3 drops (one of which was just a sidegrade) i just wanna start doing mythic content on my warrior, but with an ilvl of 152 with no hope of upgrading in sight, thats prob not gonna happen

[Dokthar-wyrmrest-accord]

you can also do random bgs to cap conquest and get 200 gear. don’t need to do rated. obv you need good rating if you want mythic level gear. but for casuals? we don’t need that stuff. lol