That was well written.
cheap dialogue that is more of a fist pumping moment for the forsaken fanfic writers of this story. itâs called tides of vengeance cause itâs supposed to be the Alliance striking back. Itâs more like a bull in a china shop, the Alliance doesnât strike at the Horde at all, and the Horde gains a victory over the night elves by raising their fallen as horde.
There is nothing tragic or relatable about Delaryn and Sira now. They did away with it the moment those traitors joined the Horde and turned upon their own people, in agreement with killing their own people and inflicting undeath upon them is better than fighting for them.
They deserve to rot in void hell for that.
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There is no free will to the Forsaken.
Nathanos himself taunts Tyrande in the scenario saying that She will join her sister as a forsaken when He is done with her. Tyrande ever accepting to be raised as Forsaken would be impossible. It clearly shows that newly risen Forsaken do not have any free-will.
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Also, about the whole âpulling back the veil on deathââŚ
Weâve seen behind that veil. If you become Forsaken, you apparently go to WoW hell that is so scary that Sylvanas somehow convinced someone else to take her place.
If youâre a Night Elf and DONâT choose to be Forsaken, you become a Wisp.
WTF would any Night Elf EVER choose to be a Forsaken, ESPECIALLY if theyâve seen what lies beyond? They get to live for another few weeks or years only to spend the rest of eternity in a place so scary that avoiding it is literally the only thing Sylvanas has thought about since?
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Okay, I know this is supposed to be about the in-universe reasons for why those two joined the Forsaken and all, but Iâm gonna give whatâs probably the most honest reason.
Blizzard forgot about literally any of the Horde NPCâs who wonât kiss up to Sylvanas and ran out of people to be Warfront bosses. So, you know, they had to âborrowâ some of the Allianceâs. (Iâd need to find the post, but someone on Reddit noted like a dozen still-probably-alive Horde NPCâs who could be brought back. Any time. Like to run a Warfront.)
He has a distinct shortage of fireworks. He canât do anything without fireworks.
Frankly, Iâm surprised they didnât pair him with Gallywix this expansion. Eitrigg working with Gally doesnât make any sense, but Ji and Gally would. They both love blowing things up.
But no. Heâs on lookout duty on the Bansheeâs Wail, wistfully wishing he could punch a dinosaur.
⌠Yeah, no.
Sylvanas went to WoW Hell not because of what Arthas made her, not because sheâs undead, but because she fostered a race, kingdom and culture of omnicidal cannibals. She went to hell because of the choices she made and actions she took, not because of the state forced upon her.
If the universe is so perversely unjust that an innocent condemned to undeath is henceforth damned to eternal suffering because of it then the Twilightâs Hammer has the right idea and this whole existence should be fed to the Void Lords.
You donât go to WoW hell just for being Forsaken. You go there for the actions you took while alive or in undeath. Sylvanas is going to WoW hell because her actions are monstrous. The forsaken could try and live normal lives, just look at the ones in neutral groups. Instead Sylvanas commands and allows them to do horrible experiments in her name.
Which leaves the devs at a crossroads since a lot of Forsaken players base their characters on free will and you can see free will in the Kul Tiran undead that were raised. If some forsaken are mind controlled and others have free will that needs to be explicit.
Nothing she did prior to Wrath was âmonstrousâ. She wasnât raising undead, she wasnât warmongering.
They have remarked several times out of game and put in enough quests that point towards free will. The opening to the Forsaken starter zone post-Cata, Godfrey and Trollbane turning on Sylvanas/the Forsaken, the fact that wisps attack you in Darkshore when you try to raise them. But they leave it fuzzy enough that people form their own opinion on it and continually argue about it on the internet like every other contentious plot point.
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She developed the Blight and fed Garithos to a pack of Ghouls.
By anyway I think it was stated somewhere that simply becoming Undead condemns you outright to WoW hell simply due to the nature of Undeath.
Where ever did it say there was any sort of Justice in the world? Justice is a mortal concept, not something akin to nature.
Simply put, death sucks.
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Yes, but remember the original impetus for blight was a weapon to use against the Scourge. I think youâre right about
Welcome to Battle for Azeroth.
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Sylvanas has been working on the plague since the beginning. Wrath was only them using it before she was ready. Sylvanas has always been a twisted leader with her own agenda and that agenda has always involved a fear of the living.
Lazy writing by a team that hasnât bothered to keep up on its own (version of) the lore. FâinstanceâŚ
The Kalâdorei have suffered much worse over the years. The destruction of Hyjal comes immediately to mind. Also, the disaster of the Sundering, where was lost not only the (first) Well of Eternity but also Azshara and Suramar.
Standing off the Burning Legion ALONE(as usual) did much to wreck what the Nelfs had.
If the slow dwindling of the years didnât destroy their spirit, why should the loss of a fairly new Tree, surrounded in controversy, do the same?
Indeed, and as has been shown, all that little act of arson did was make the Night Elves even more resolute, even more angry.
I will grant that a few, VERY few, individuals might become vulnerable: but hardly to the extent of wanting to serve the vile THING that killed both their home and them. hopefully night elf Undead, in the forsaken style, will NOT be added to this game!
For we already have the Undead in our ranks.
Her Icecrown-cursed eyes glitter with an unnatural light, as her dead delicate claws caress her runeblades.
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YeahâŚthat same Horde, not to mention the exact same GUY (Nathanos) who murdered her literally less than five minutes before she was raised as undead. Iâm sorry, but that would be like Sylvanas, after being murdered and raised by Arthas, to instantly and WILLINGLY decide to serve him and the Scourge in murdering her people and destroying her homeland because she was angry at the holy light/sun for not saving her from being killed.
Actually by this point Iâm pretty much convinced Delaryn IS this generationâs new version of Sylvanas (as she wasâŚnot the Saturday morning cartoon villain sheâs been reduced to in recent years). Noble elf hero who dies trying to protect her home and people from a ruthless army led by an evil undead tyrant, and is then raised as undead out of petty spite (Nathanos makes it clear that Delaryn was specifically targeted for raising on Sylvanasâs orders). Iâm willing to bet she was one of those exceptions to the âonly willing soulsâ rule, much like Derek was raised against his will, since itâs pretty obvious Sylvanas wanted her undead whether she wanted to be or not. Nathanos certainly doesnât yell at Brynja to hurry up and 'raise them, but only if theyâre okay with it."
Now the only thing that would clinch the Delaryn as neo-Sylvanas would be if she âbetraysâ and tries to kill her in revenge for what she did to her people.
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Hyjal destroyed a monument but didnât result in the massive genocide of the race. Sira and Delaryn and the other traitors gave up on their people and joined the Horde to bring further death to them, they are worse than Sylvanas in that right. Death Knights were enslaved by the Lich King until they broke free, they follow a different arc.
Itâs possible but then we just have recycled tripe dumped on the night elves because lazy writers canât come up with anything new.
And if they want to recycle tripe, use another race as their punching bag, Iâm sick of it being done to the only race i like(d) in this god awful story.