I’m the one who brought up World War II. Let’s use a more recent example; the current Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Delaryn and Sira would be like a Ukranian soldier fighting the Russian army, losing their home and family to the invading Russian army, being outraged at the Russian army for doing that to them… then defecting to join the Russian army while the war is still ongoing. That’s just stupid, insane or evil.
The Forsaken are also the ones who forced them into that bad situation in the first place. Sylvanas kicked Delaryn while she was down by mocking her after the Night Elves’ defeat and forcing her to watch Teldrassil burn… then Delaryn joins her after that!? Sira fought against Nathanos and was then killed by Nathanos… then works with him as an undead of her own free will after that!?
If there was a gradual character arc that ended with Delaryn and Sira joining the Forsaken, that would make sense… but it happens immediately. They join the Forsaken literally within a minute of becoming undead and tool around with their killers. Let’s call a spade a spade. This is bad writing, and you know it.
As I said. That’s… basically the history of the Forsaken since its very beginning. Why did the undead Lordaeronians choose to side with former Scourge minions who killed them and destroyed their kingdom ? Why did the undead Thalassians ? It seems deciding to team up with the ones who inflicted this torment upon you in the first place is just a natural reaction upon going through Undeath. Because of how hard experiencing Death just shakes you to the core and makes you question everything you believed in. That’s been hinted at on multiple occasions
If someone can explain a free willed Sylvanas willinging joining Arthas and the Scourge to destroy QuelThelas and the Sunwell they will be able to explain Undead NEs joining Sylvanas and the Horde.
When did the undead Lordaeronians side with former Scourge minions? Last time I looked, the undead Lordaeronians ARE the former Scourge minions. Same with the undead Thalassians. As for the still-living Blood Elves, they only sided with the former Scourge minions AFTER they were no longer part of the Scourge, and even then it was controversial and there was a considerable adjustment period, plus a “common foe” scenario.
But Delaryn and Sira joining the Forsaken had as much character development as the following video;
Arthas controlled Sylvanas’ actions but not her mind due to Frostmourne and his connection to the Lich King, who had the Helm of Domination. Delaryn and Sira have no such excuse.
Indeed, but victims of their own abuses are not the people they should been working this therapy on.
The Scourge made it work because the Scourge tore their minions’ brains apart first and gave them no choice in the matter. Imagine a knight of Lordaeron or ranger of Silvermoon bowing down to Arthas twenty minutes after the guy razed their homelands, butchered everyone they’d ever known and loved, then murdered them for good measure. Zombie Don Draper couldn’t swing that; the prospect is obscene and insane.
The writers’ insistent desire to replicate the Scourge’s recruitment tactics on the Forsaken has always been a misfire IMO. Their targeted conversion of Scourge in vanilla meshed far better with their “free will” clause and is just as, if not more feasible now.
Personally I think Sira should stay with the Alliance. Do we really need another morally good/morally questionable Alliance/Horde dynamic? Switch it up and put Sira on the Alliance side.
The former Lordaeronians definitely represent the bulk of the Forsaken society but not all Forsaken are former Lordaeronians. What gave birth to the Forsaken was that the Lich King’s mental dominion over the more distant Scourge groups began to weaken at some point, so I think it’s fair to say that among those were also individuals who had been raised/created prior to the Scourging of Lordaeron. At the very least many of the lesser undead races in the Forsaken (Zombies, Abominations etc) used to be OG Scourge agents.
I think the best place to put the Kaldorei Darkfallen is among the Ebon Blade. Send them neutral and off into the story limbo of Northrend to do good with their unlives.
The reason I never associate Kaldorei with the San’layn was because they were solely blood elves (except for the blood princes using the night elf model) but also I always attributed the creation of the San’layn as a perversion of their mana addiction, which the night elven people lacked.
But looking up darkfallen recently instead of it being solely attributed to the San’layn it is merely a blanket term for undead now? So whatever I guess lol, give the kaldorei their own darnassian word or version of it.
Yeah no, currently Sira Moonwarden and Delaryn Summermoon are both on the Horde and it should stay that way. If anything should change Sira Moonwarden should be released from the Stockades and returned to the Horde. Delaryn stays with the Horde!!
The Alliance are nothing more than bullies, first they invaded and stole the Amani trolls land, then they blame the Horde for invading Lordaeron, Hypocrites. Then they slay the leader of the Zandalari and blame Sylvanas for slaying Derek Proudmore. Please tell me this truce between the Horde and Alliance doesn’t last more than one expansion…
How about - no Night Elves on the Horde side at all? Or give us some traitors elite forsakens soldiers on Alliance side for balance…
P.S. But if I will need to choose, then yes, I would take Delaryn back. Sira was neutral before the war. Wardens were never on the Alliance side.
While Delaryn was Night Elves Sentinel, who lost her boyfriend(who still looks for her from Ardenweald) and her sisters by the Horde Hands. Then she was killed and raised by the Horde soldiers. Later she was forced to fight against her own people. And when she got her mind clear, she diceded to stay on the Horde side? Like really?
So, there are a tons of reasons for Delaryn to return home, and tons of reasons for her to hate the Horde. And there are zero reasons for Sira to be on any side really, but we can give her away.
