You just amanged to combine all the copium in one post lmao, i hate so much all of these bs people says…
The lore shows me the exact opposite of your comment there. The Titans have never not been my ally; other than Sargeras. And Odyn was not on the side of the Titans; he even got kicked out by the other keepers. Also, Aman’thul did exactly what he should have done when Eonar did something unethical with that Life tree. Draenor showed us how evil those trees are, and it should have been stopped. So Aman’thul is a hero for that.
Telling a mortal that you have dominated “It is time” and then zapping Holy laser beams out of him is obviously an order. You seem to be gas-lighting to the extreme in every reply. It’s difficult to ever take you seriously.
you being told you’re wrong about your dumb take, isn’t gaslighting, gaslighting is tricking a person into believing reality is false, being told you’re wrong about an objective fact is not gaslighting, if you’re gunna use therapy speak use it properly
Ironic, given that you just pretended that something happened which did not happen; and therefore “YOU” are gas-lighting. Given your reputation, though, that is no surprise.
Oh this some stupid trolling bit
Dagran told Magni to act in the scene you are referencing. Magni has only ever been able to communicate with Azeroth—there was never a domination effect in play.
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Even when Alagalon came to wipe out all life on Azeroth? They always only cared about the world soul and not you.
He did not get kicked by others keepers, he left on his own because he thought it was stupid to give powers to the dragons.
And he always was with the titans, he was more with the titans idea than the others because he only believed in the beings of Order, being the titanforged.
In what way what Eonar did was unethical?
These tree have nothing to do with the evergrowth which was on Draenor, also you forget one thing ; the evergrowth happenned because the planet was overloaded with Life energies, which was not the case with Azeroth.
Not as much as how you gas-light by hidding facts, like the evergrowth and the fact draenor was overloaded with Life energies.
Also, how is Azeroth dominating Magni if she released him from his diamond shell and no longer have him as his speaker?
Also, i feel like you are a bit weird, because you literally says, that what your OWN WORLD says, which means, safeguarding its integrity, which means having you be safe too since well, if the world dies you die too, is bad? What? How?
Which is exactly he is doing himself, by saying that the Discs informations (which were put here by the devs because its new lore) are fake no?
Go replay the Everbloom portion of Warlords of Draenor and read the Chronicle lore regarding the primals and evil cosmic Nature. Eonar planted something to do exactly the same thing as happened there.
False. Go back and do that questline again, it is the voice which dominated and commanded Magni to be a conduit for her holy light zapping; not Dagran. That voice has never been pinned down yet; it could be Beledar, it could be Azeroth, it could be whatever is hiding in the Rootlands, we don’t know.
That’s all you ever do, in as toxic a manner as possible.
Incorrect. You can go watch it on youtube right now. Magni has never been dominated. Dagran told him he could wield Azeroth’s gift to save the earthen, and that’s what he did. Magni has only ever been able to communicate with World Souls, evidenced by Argus and Eonar (as I mentioned above, which you conveniently ignored). He did not hear the Radiant Song (as I mentioned above, which you conveniently ignored).
Who do you think i am, i am genuinly curious, what is my reputation
I haven’t ignored anything, you saying you believe something doesn’t make it the lore. The voice which Magni heard saying “It is time” was NOT Dagran, no matter how many times you wish it were. Next, we have NO evidence to prove the voice which told Magni it was time was the world soul. You’ve got to go take your case up with Terran Gregory who made the opening cinematic for War Within include a visual cut to the fiery object and then spoke to Anduin with the same voice that spoke to Magni in the machine ending to ringing deeps.
“It is time” is not what spurred Magni to act. That came after he resolved to take the action Dagran suggested. He even channeled that power previously (against the skardyn) of his own volition. We know Magni has only ever communicated in that way with World Souls, and we know Azeroth was no longer talking to him when everyone else around the world hears the Radiant Song. We know the power he is channeling exhibits the same characteristics as Azerite. We know Azeroth (through the archives) has exerted influence on earthen in the past, including the crystallized earthen/dwarves (thraegar).
We don’t have enough information to confirm or deny much about Beledar itself, but there’s plenty of context to work with re: Magni. None of that suggests he was ever dominated.
Being commanded “It is time” is EXACTLY what spurred him to become a conduit for somebody else’s power. A yellow holy light power. Not a fiery orange and blue power like the world soul has been shown. Not a blue and yellow azerite anything. It was yellow, pure holy light. The same voice as Anduin heard. We don’t know any final facts about what Magni was hearing. The whisper about the king of diamonds being made a pawn has never once been disregarded or violated. The power he had passed through him in the machine room is NOT azerite at all. The titan disc quest does NOT prove that what was influencing the thraegar was azeroth. That entire 5 part titan discs questline is all about unreliable narrator and Archaedas being mistaken or interpreting incorrectly. Precisely the same as how one of the plays that we perform in at the Theater Troupe outdoor event explains that a Thraegar in the past felt compelled by a dominating voice from somewhere else to go traveling deeper toward the light. It was not a random free will decision…it was compulsion. It was domination. Whether that domination was evil or benevolent or something in between doesn’t matter, it was still domination.
Dude, watch the video. It is literally gold and blue, exactly like Azerite. Even the gems in the awakened earthen (Dawn) are gold/blue.
“You saying you believe something doesn’t make it the lore.” We don’t know (yet) what is true or untrue about the Archives. We won’t know until we do. It is likely (exceedingly, I would say) that the earthen plays are revised histories aimed at keeping the earthen on task, but we’ve got little to go by here apart from the breadcrumbs provided. We do know the earthen were forged entities designed to operate under specific directives, and that alleged exposure to Azeroth’s Worldsoul deprogrammed them. We don’t know that they weren’t possessed to attack the Worldcore, but I think Magni and the Thraegar being the same or similar is probably enough evidence to point toward them undertaking those actions willingly.
Even setting that aside, we know what Domination looks like (Anduin) and Magni is not even within striking distance of the ballpark of that dynamic.
What happened to Draenor with the sporemounds was the result of the massive abundance of spirit energy on the planet. That is also why Draenors elements are mostly peaceful with others and themselves. And why you rarely see any mixed elementals in WoD. That changed when Gul’dan used the Cipher of Damnation in the MU and when AU Cho’gall corrupted the AU Earth Fury in the AU [aka WoD].
Azeroth in comparison has very little spirit energy because the World Soul ate it all. Hence why the elements on Azeroth are way more chaotic and violent. They fought amongst themselves until an outside force forced them to unify (that being the Old Gods). Therefore it is highly doubtful that the tree Eonar planted would cause plant life to grow so quickly that it could risk life itself from going extinct on the respective planet. It is important to point out that the book says it is unreliable. Therefore the events that it mentions might not have played out that way in actual history.
For all we know there might be a different reason why Aman’thul allegedly ripped out that tree. And the author of said book in the Emerald Dream has a bias against the Titan of Time. Therefore seeking to paint him in a negative light.
Technically not true. Magni could hear Argus’ world soul when we arrived on… Argus. He could also hear Eonar even before her encounter in Antrous.
I would say it is Azeroth. Subtext is a thing you know. Magni felt abandoned by Azeroth, stuck in his diamond form following N’zoths defeat in BFA. While everyone else can hear this ‘radiant song’ he cannot. Now it is possible that the radiant song is someone else and not Azeroth. Given that Anduin believes it is coming from Beledar. But I feel it is important to point out that Magni has described Azeroths messages to him as if they were a song.
Magni Bronzebeard says:When Azeroth’s spirit speaks ta me, it’s like a song. There’s beauty in it, even when her message ain’t exactly clear.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Visions_of_Torment
So Azeroth being the ‘radiant song’ is not without merit.
That being said, given the context of the scene at the ringing deeps and the fact that Magni is ‘released’ from his speaker duties, literally by giving up said power to cleanse the Hall of Awakening, there is a lot of evidence that supports it was Azeroth telling Magni what he had to do. By that point we had yet to learn about Beledar in universe.
Only ever able to communicate with Azeroth, as in that is the sum total of his relationship with Azeroth’s Worldsoul. In other words: he was never a slave to her will and could only speak with her.
Oh! I thought you meant something else by unethical.
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i’ll see myself out
And as i said, Chronnicles lore tells you that, if the Evergrowth happenned was because the Force of Life was overwhelming in Draenor, which made it unbalanced, exactly what would happen if the Order would be without balance.
You just on purpose dismiss the facts…i gave you the facts about the Evergrowth, so dont ignore it.
What Eonar did was never said to be unbalanced, Aman’thul IN HIS ORDERLY view saw it as chaotic, but chaos is alos needed to have balance you know?
And still, Eonar did not do anything “unethical” she planted a tree and the tree was blooming and nothing said it went out of control…
You just so trying hard to be right but you wrong.
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Dear Lord get this crappy head cannon out of here.