Nah, I’m glad the Rainbow Happy Funland expansion ended when it did. I will never forgive them for what they’ve done to Gilneas.
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I like how they really just never went into detail why the primalists had mortal followers at all, like why did shamans of all people join this.
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If that’s sarcasm, that’s funny. If it isn’t then check the first post I made, 4th paragraph. I’m pretty sure a few shamans would have PLENTY of reasons to join, especially in the Earthen Ring.
Also there were problems with the other flights.
The Blue Dragonflight was disbanded following the events of Dragon Soul. It wasn’t until the Blue Dragonflight questline (the one that ends with Senegos dying) that the Flight reunites and Kalecgos is made leader again. Which happens alongside the Embers of Neltharion questline (Forbidden Reach & Zaralek Caverns).
Nozdormu was worried that his time to become Murozond was fast approaching. This is resolved at the end of the Dawn of the Infinite mega-dungeon where his future is made uncertain, for now. Which is how he likes it.
Merthira still had doubts over her leading the Green Dragonflight. This reaches its conclusion following Fyrakks defeat.
Because of this, I feel that was the point of the Oathstones. Alexstrasza’s desperation to regain her Aspect powers in the wake of Razzy Dazzy’s escape blinded her to the internal issues the other flights had. Even when it came to her niece. And while the Oathstones were repaired and empowered, it was clear that there were more involved than simply saying a few words.
Welcome back Dark Shamans 
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The whole Murozond thing Dragonflight was honestly weird for me. The whole thing ends with Nozdormu thanking us for saving him from the fate that he thought was all but inevitable, seemingly showing his belief that his transformation into Murozond was no longer an inevitability. However the Dawn of the Infinite was a result of time itself being twisted with the proto dragon Nozdormu being turned into Murozond, which didn’t fit the established time frame of our Nozdormu becoming Murozond.
I honestly wonder if Nozdormu will become Murozond during The Last Titan, with dialogue of " You know not what you have done. Aman’Thul… What I… have… seen…" being turned into from Murozond calling out to Aman’Thul in despair, to the reveal that it Aman’Thul that turned him or something.
All good points.
Void Shamans?
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Yeah it is honestly weird. Even more so when Blizzard said that was not the end of the Infinite Dragonflight. That they will be involved in later story arcs.
I mean Nozdormu lost himself trying to find a timeline where he didn’t become Murozond. But maybe that is the point. Like how Elisande saw the Legion winning in every possible future. Hence why she was so confused when we killed her. She believed she was destined to win.
Maybe forseeing the future via arcane magic only shows you what you don’t want to see. You don’t want X to happen and so the only thing you see is X happening.
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Or you know Blizzard simply plans to use it later in a Titan focused expansion.
Shadowlands had many many many awful things to it, but Blizzard managing to incorporate old Wrath lore to make it relevant for the current plot was not one of them.
While the sudden dropping of the Oathstone storyline is frustrating, I’m gonna agree with this; that and the rebuilt Tyr seem like things that’ll possibly/definitely (Oathstones/Tyr respectively) be brought back in TLT.
Personally, I got the vibe that these things had been planned to have bigger roles going forward before someone got a Worldsoul Saga idea going, and the devs decided to hold all titan-related things off for that, where ever possible.
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To be honest, the Forge of Souls, which were built to grind souls into a fine powder with a million and one uses being turned into this azerite harvest thing for Zovaal was, imo, a clear jumping the shark moment.
The main reason being the Forge of Souls was clearly built during Arthas’ time as The Lich King. And according to some key people, Arthas was never meant to be the Lich King in Zovaals schemes (Ner’zhul says this) and Zovaal had no control over him. And yet a device Arthas had constructed just so happened to be what Zovaal needed to drain Azeroth of her life so he could spread domination throughout the cosmos? I’m sorry but that is stupid.
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I mean…
How is this different from every single other aspect of Zovaal’s overly-convoluted plan, where people just so happen to behave exactly as he always needed them to behave, to set in motion the chain of events that led to Shadowlands?
This whole man’s entire master plan hinged on Garrosh’s daddy issues making him do a whole Iron Horde with the help of a totally-not-Infinite-in-training dragon, eventually leading to Archimonde getting summoned on broken timeline Draenor, so he could throw Gul’dan at our Azeroth, so Gul’dan could collect an Illidan, leading to us rescuing Illidan from whatever in Nighthold, Illidan wrecklessly opening a massive portal to Argus and nobody trying to stop him, Velen having a space ship built to get us to Argus, us kicking butt all the way through Antorus, so Sargeras could summon an Argus for us to beat.
Compared to all that 2000D chess plan that somehow never once considered that we might get miffed if he goes stealing a Jaina, an Anduin and a Thrall (he correctly assumed Baine-stealing was fine tho), miffed enough to follow everyone into the Maw, and unleash upon his face the exact same world-beating demigod might that made all those steps of his plan possible… Compared to all this everything, finding out Arthas accidentally built the specific engine Zovaal needed is kinda tame.
Maybe some agents of Zovaal suggested it. Maybe some val’kyr told him it’d make his Frostmourne look bigger or something. I can make much more sense of that than all the rest of the everything.
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Who says Arthas was going to drain the life and spread domination? I think Arthas was probably planning on using whatever power he siphoned into himself. Sound just like Arthas to try and turn himself into a literal god.
Considering what wowpedia says of the Oathstones, i’m surprised they weren’t brought up by the Primalists or the Incarnates at all though since their whole point is to not be tools of the Titans and here, we are…10,000 years later the Aspects reaffirming that loyalty. You’re correct that the oathstones were more of a background element to those storylines but since they were such a big part of the beginning of DF, it did feel like they were dropped as a plot point for a bit and there wasn’t a sense of urgency of those oathstones AFTER Raszageth. That 10.1.5 cinematic with Vyranoth and Alexstrasza would’ve been an excellent time to bring up the oathstones.
Maybe i’m missing a plot point here but my first post could have more incorporation of the oathstones that could have them transfer to a background element instead of a main plot point.
Also, let’s get back to DF instead of Shadowlands because I’m pretty sure most of the WoW community believes SL was half baked when it came to story.
I’m reminded of his “prophecy” to Sylvanas. Of how a fiery darkness would return, she would have to “step out of the shadows and lead”, a blade would pierce the heart of the world, she would hold the blood from its wound, and finally, she would topple a king and shatter the sky itself.
Now the Burning Legion returning was a given and with Mueh’zala being his ally and the one who told Vol’jin to pick her, the word choice was likely deliberate. Her beating Bolvar and destroying the Helm was likely always apart of the plan.
However how could Zovaal have expected us to not only defeat the Burning Legion and kill Argus, but that Sargeras would be able to stab Azeroth, without killing her during all this?
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Definitely there are a lot of plot points left behind in DF that can be explore for sure and I also would have love more of DF for sure.
In relation to the oathstones, I did find the plot a bit odd especially considering how it was use in previous lore.
While in DF these monuments of trust were created by the keepers when history began on the Dragon Isles to symbolize the bond between each dragonflight and their titan patrons, in the novel we can read that Rhonin had a smaller one made by Deathwing as a communication device, these type of oathstone’s were smaller made by a Dragon scale turn into a gem and a symbol of a commitment of agreement to help that specific Dragon that’s connected too.
However here is the interesting part of this, Deathwing could control the body of Rhonin so my question always surface to my mind when we kept uncovering the Titans disc in TWW… Was the Oathstone’s really a symbol of trust and bonds or control and shackles?
Azeroth was able to restore the Aspect power and even bestow new ones to Vyranoth however we yet to see them… so if the Titan bestow these gift, how did Azeroth gave them… so… where does that leave the Oathstone of the new Aspect of the Storms? (Maybe looking way to into this but, I have wonder about it since DF)
If I want to be optimistic I say Tyr made sure they were a Symbol of Trust… but nothings says he could not be use for control like what happened in the Novel… and with the new Lore on the creation of the Oathbinder that gave Neltharion full control of the Dracthyr another question rises: "How did Neltharion gain this knowledge on how to bind creature to his will?
It definitely fits with the research and creation on the Dragon Soul and maybe shed some light on what the Darkheart true purpose is, beyond absorbing and storing energies.
Maybe it was to bind and control the Old Gods to fulfill their original purpose of the Voidlord who send it… hence the need for a “Harbinger” and why as soon as the Old Gods tasted Azeroth power maybe it kinda “awaken them” to rebel and trap Xal’atath in that knife?
Probably not related but the Lich King drops a item called an Item called Oathbinder, Charge of the Ranger-General, can you imagine if the whole “Domination Magic” origin or creation were because of Titans and is proven right the fan theory that the “First Ones” were the Titans all along! Primus did suspiciously mention that “TIME IS NOT A CONSTRUCT OF DEATH” when he was shackle in the Maw! Ahhhhh what a pandora box of a rabbid hole that would open!
Ahhh my brain… so many way this story can go!!! So many Main and Side quest that could come out of THIS STUFF alone!!! TOOOOooo much coffee mind on fire… need to write in paper before I forget! lololol
(you can skip this part I'm just making fun of myself and my obsession with specific Dragons in WoW)
And ofcourse the potential to… yes I bring it back again… Bring Chromatus into the game main story finally!!! Oh and rest of the Twilight Dragon Flights and 2nd gen Chromatic Dragonflight… too… Iridricron don’t fail me YOU NEED THEM TO FIGHT THE NEW EMPOWERED ASPECTS and your sister WHO IS BOTH A PRIMAL INCARNATE AND AN ASPECT YOU NEED TO FREE CHROMATUS what’s left if his Chromatic Flight and recruit the Twilight Dragons for your War against the Titans!! ehem pretty please, I just need to see my WoW version of D&D Tiamat in WoW soo bad!!! Also I want my Evoker to have access to more exotic, chaotic or Darker Drakonic Hero Specs like the RPG community have created for their own tabletop session in game… selfish of me I know!!! I can’t help think of gameplay, more CC options, racial combos with classes and accessibility for the players so they can Role play their WoW rp in WoW…sight, I’m such a nut job when it comes to WoW! 
Anyway, yeah I do hope at some point in this or next expansion we get some of those plot holes answers soon rather than later since WoW has a tendency to literally have years pass by before they touch on them… and by then there is so much that happened and so many books and lore written that they turn to retcon or “clarify with new lore” as they like to put it some of these that were left hanging.
Ah, sorry wall text again… my inner geek took over again! lol 
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Going through the various expansions I feel like there’s a lot of times when the Dev’s just suddenly changed direction and I’d be curious what keeps driving them to do that, because at this point it’s almost a company culture argument… like we’re about to get to the big pay out and then… change of direction.
This isn’t a game of edging weren’t not supposed to be left wanting and waiting we are supposed to be playing an action orientated visual story/novel…
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Imagine if every single novel ever written ended on a cliffhanger. That may or may not take 10-15+ yrs to address. If they address it at all. It’s what blizz essentially does with their expansions. Random plot holes people forgot about from 20 yrs are suddenly relevant while the drop plots from the previous expansion go untouched
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I legit feel bad not only for the fans of that series, but also the author. That’s a hard thing to deal with and the stress of sticking the landing is only making it worse for him.
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If you mean Martin, I feel if he would just finish the Ice and Fire novels already before working on his other projects, people wouldn’t be so harsh on him
And fans are right to pissed off at him atm. It’s asinine that he just refuses to work on the final books he promised literally years ago
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Creative Director changes, basically. You can point at every glaring, foundational shift in the storytelling and track it directly to a personnel change.
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Oh no, you’re good! Geek out brother!
That book you’re referring to is “Second War” and it’s more of a novel, not entirely sure if its canon considering how old it is but you’re correct on that. That does add more to the point of why weren’t those oathstones more in the spotlight and the fact they weren’t mentioned by the Incarnates, Xal, and any of the primalists.
You make some great points with the implementation of SL lore though I always take anything from SL with a grain of salt because some of the lore from SL has broken canon in the past to actually make SL work.
The only reasonable way to implement all of these ideas is to make a ALOT of books because I’m firmly in belief that alot of the content DF had to offer could’ve been around 5-6 years to flesh out but the game should’ve only had the CLIMAX and CONCLUSIONS to those stories (3-4 years in the books, 2 years for the xpac) and Chris Metzen even said, “last thing we really want is to have your grandkids controlling your mouse and keyboard trying to wrap this thing up” which I can partly agree with. Some stories need the beginning and end while others can keep going without a conclusion.
Hopefully, we’ll get ALOT more books for this World Soul Saga that could wrap things for plot points that were never answered and also building up for what is to come.
Another point, you wanted Chromatus to be in DF, I wanted a Dragonriding boss fight for Galakrond and instead we got T. Swift. At least the T.Swift was fun but REALLY wanted a Galakrond fight instead of his blood.
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