Should Raids Be "Shorter" (Like in FFXIV)?

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Forums-skeram

Nobody is saying to make things lazier.

Of course, they are.

They are asking for shorter, no trash so they are basically asking to run in and kill a couple of bosses so they can get raid gear with the least amount of effort.

Lazy.

@Forums-skeram

And nobody is saying something is broken. They’re just talking about how to improve it.

No, improving it would be coming up with more atmospheric environments, more challenging trash, improved mechanics ect. They are talking about changing it to something lesser for their own convenience.

[Liadariel-runetotem]

@Simplyred-hydraxis

Maybe make LFR or normals shorter than heroic and mythic. We still need raids that challenge the top tier, but at the same time many of us can’t commit the way we used to as life takes priority.

I really wish sensible posts like this would get noticed in between the vitriol and get more likes.

[Liadariel-runetotem]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

No, improving it would be coming up with more atmospheric environments, more challenging trash, improved mechanics ect.

@Silverleigh-drakthul

are basically asking to run in and kill a couple of bosses so they can get raid gear with the least amount of effort.

Lazy.

First part right, second part wrong. Imo. Why the “lazy” word rather than giving people a different path? Who does it hurt? There’s still work and time involved. Getting rid of trash mobs isn’t a good idea, but the rest is.

Why do people want to horde onto their top gear like it’s their only proof of being good when there’s equally good players without the time? It’s not being “lazy.” It’s also not asking for equivalent gear.

Why does sitting ten hours in a gaming chair mean someone is entitled to more?

[Sinelius-proudmoore]

No, that’s what makes both games special. One game does harder but shorter raid fights(no trash in savage), the other does fully-designed raids with bosses after some trash but easy bosses.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Liadariel-runetotem

@Silverleigh-drakthul

No, improving it would be coming up with more atmospheric environments, more challenging trash, improved mechanics ect.

@Silverleigh-drakthul

are basically asking to run in and kill a couple of bosses so they can get raid gear with the least amount of effort.

Lazy.

First part right, second part wrong. Imo. Why the “lazy” word rather than giving people a different path?

They aren’t simply asking for a different path, one of equal commitment and challenge, they are asking for a shorter, easier, simpler path.

@Liadariel-runetotem

Who does it hurt?

It hurts the game’s integrity.

@Liadariel-runetotem

There’s still work and time involved.

Less work, less time, less effort, less challenge…

As I said before the request is not to improve the raids, it is to make them lesser.

@Liadariel-runetotem

Why does sitting ten hours in a gaming chair mean someone is entitled to more?

They are not just sitting in a gaming chair, they are completing the content which entitles them to more which in this case is raid gear.

[Shalemara-moon-guard]

I personally would enjoy this change.

Shorter raids with more important and impressive bosses and less trash would be nice. Some raid bosses feel like absolute filler both design wise, loot wise, and mechanics wise. Just boring, uninspiring and add nothing to the raid. I’d take a 4 boss raid with each boss being spectacular over a 10 boss raid with maybe 3 good fights.

[Dreadsurge-sargeras]

There is a place for long raids just as much as there’s a place for short raids.

Blizzard’s formula of “mostly 8-13 boss raids with the occasional 2-3 boss raid sprinkled in” is the perfect formula and is a large reason why WoW’s raiding is so good, especially when most fights are somewhere in the 5-8 minute range and only a handful are 10 with even fewer in the 12-15 minute range.

[Rreifren-moon-guard]

Raids in WoW are fine. It is one of the few things that is consistently done good.

Rather they need to incorporate other features from FF14 such as changing timewalking to be like how they handle old content.

Also the alt friendliness. The way things are being done in 9.1.5 is how they need to be at expansion launch. You complete the stuff on your main and the requirements and restrictions are either removed or massively reduced for any alts.

[Forums-skeram]

I’m sorry you feel that way.

[Liadariel-runetotem]

@Silverleigh-drakthul

It hurts the game’s integrity

Bull! That’s without a doubt the…most inane comment about WoW. Integrity? What about yours or other people?

This right here is the problem. You/many totally disrespect others time and gameplay. No one wants to move an inch past that line drawn in the sand. Integrity!!! I’ve barely seen any in game for years!

[Snozm-malganis]

@Forums-skeram

What excuses?

And I’m not saying you are like that. My point is that I read some real doozies on here. People make these wild claims about how much they play and you can tell, there is more to the story than they let on. Just like the example I gave above. The guy I know did that because he was trying to make others feel inept by leaving out key points to his story that would completely shatter it. It was just fun to wind people up.

My apologies. I misunderstood what you meant by that. I thought you were saying I was full of it.

@Forums-skeram

Our conversation aside, don’t go there with him. He’ll not provide a source but tell you to provide one that disproves him. Don’t take the bait.

I asked for one because I know he can’t provide one.

[Bojanglz-whisperwind (Bojanglz)]

@Forums-skeram

Their raids are very good (most, not all) but one interesting metric is how many people actually get to do them. I remember before LFR existed, it was well under 10% of players according to Blizzard. In vanilla, it was even less.

Nah. Matter of opinion. Also a reason there is a huge world first run with WoW and not on FFXIV.

[Silverleigh-drakthul]

@Liadariel-runetotem

@Silverleigh-drakthul

It hurts the game’s integrity

Bull! That’s without a doubt the…most inane comment about WoW. Integrity? What about yours or other people?

This right here is the problem. You/many totally disrespect others time and gameplay. No one wants to move an inch past that line drawn in the sand. Integrity!!! I’ve barely seen any in game for years!

I don’t think you understand what I mean by game’s integrity, given you are trying to compare it to a person’s integrity.

I mean adhering the principles or rules or framing of a game. For example, not allowing folk to collect $200 when they go to jail in Monopoly is upholding the game’s integrity.

This idea would not uphold the principles or rules or framing of WoW.

[Smartdeath-stormrage]

Wow tried the no trash approach in trial of the crusader. I didn’t hate it

[Galassin-stormrage]

I just want them to cut Back on the amount of trash and the size of the zone. It’s so much running and clearing trash it gets unbearable.

[Hówárd-moon-guard]

I don’t personally care, I am just kinda tired of end-game focus activities.

[Thundahstahm-stormrage]

I don’t raid because its too long, but no. We have short options. Mythics are the short raids.

Now fix PVP.

[Sleepyash-sargeras]

@Tomras-dalaran

One idea I had is maybe instead of one huge 10-12 boss raid per patch, maybe the patch should have them broken down to seperate wings (Like LFR, but the difficulties remain). That way, raiders don’t feel as pressured to do them all in one go, and they don’t feel like they have to carry people as far.

no, thats extremely boring.

can we stop trying to make wow like FF? please?

[Pallymcbeal-proudmoore]

Only thing I wish they would do tone down the freaken mob’s in-between bosses

By at least 50%

[Kashmeowsyde-hyjal]

Raids are one of the things WoW does right. The problem is the other 98% of stuff like crafting and rep etc. One of the reasons I am not playing FFXIV right now is that the raids there just aren’t as immersive and therefore not as fun.

They are really not the same type of game and there really is no need to make them.