Not happening in classic. Pugs v pug would need to reward zero honor/rep if premade vs premade was forced. There is only one gearing route in pvp.
Everyone already has full epics anyways, this is a quality of life change people are asking for, not the epic gear that is given eventually after months of grinding.
We are tired of solo queueing and queueing into non-solo queuers, thats it.
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Just like wargames have been implemented, I could see a solo queue type system that rewards nothing.
This would provide casuals with the ability to enjoy BGs without disenfranchising any other group. I doubt many want PvP gear, they likely know theyâll never rank anyways due to the time required, and can get equal or better gear much more efficiently by raiding. Many solo queueâers probably just want to PvP and enjoy BGs casually as you could in vanilla.
That said, just layer on more changes to the gameâs infrastructure, amirite?
The intent was to do as little as possible and pretend it properly emulates Vanilla while raking in the easy cash. It accomplished that. It didnât do a good job in emulating Vanilla though.
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That solo Horde players are asking for you mean.
This is classic. If you want to solo queue and not face premades wait for TBC or play retail.
How about you guys fight premades if you want to premade
you guys KNOW that you are going to queue into random hordes in warsong gulch because we hardly 10 queue warsong gulch.
Lets all pretend like you guys didnt farm rank 12 + in un-even battles because you cant win 1v1.
Iâve seen Ally request it as well /shrug
I play both factions at 60 and face premades from both pretty regularly.
Iâve said this before. If you want pug v pug and premade v premade you need to remove every single reward structure from pug v pug (rep/honor/hks/quests/marks/etc). Classic only has 1 tier of rewards unlike TBC with arena and previous season gear.
The problem is if you remove all rewards from pug v pug youâre going to have a dead bracket almost instantly.
What makes you think you deserve any loot for putting far less effort?
Retail -> that way.
And I never passed rank 4. I donât care about PvP loot. I would play it for no honor and no rewards, because my raid gear is just as good. If they made it no honor, and just gave rep, Iâd do it for that, and so would a few others, but most of the crybabies want rank 12 gear solo. No sympathy for them. None. Go play retail.
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I dont want loot I want pvp
Exactly this is why premades shouldnât be rewarded for fighting pugs.
Pug vs pug is the equivalent of premade vs premade and should have equal rewards. Premade vs pug should give premades no honor as itâs an easy win for them.
Let me see if I get what youâre saying: people who put in the time to farm consumables, get a group, play cooperatively in an organized manner should get the exact same honor per hour as solo queuers. Is that right? Because if thatâs right, youâre delusional. The system youâre talking about only works if thereâs rating to differentiate skill from lack thereof. There is no rating in classic.
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You made the argument that the system shouldnât reward people who want easy mode. The only people asking for(and getting easy mode) are premades stomping pugs.
So based on your own logic they should get nothing.
I did not make that argument, as youâre discounting the much greater organizational effort required of getting into and staying in a good premade. You havenât addressed that at all. The people who have done all that deserve to roll you, and you deserve nothing. Why? Because the effort made before âqueueâ or âqueue as groupâ is pressed MATTERS. Youâd like it to not matter. Retail is that way ->. Or wait until TBC and just play in last seasonâs gear.
You said exactly that,
And I agree premades who are are beating pugs donât deserve any loot as they are putting in much less effort.
Again you fail to address the effort put in before queue is pressed. At this point youâre trolling, so enjoy being mad and sitting in the graveyard all day getting nothing.
Because itâs not relevant to how hard the actual BG is.
But it is relevant to how hard it is to rank at the higher end. They have a plan, you donât. Itâs really that simple.
I think the system is fine and would like to see it stay this way. One of the biggest arguments that I recall seeing when it came to Classic vs Retail was âVanilla encouraged people to network, it encouraged people to group up to complete contentâ
I look at the PUG vs Premade situation kind of like the leveling experience. You do a PUG and eventually find people you work well with. This might take a few times to create that perfect BG team, but you eventually get there. Which seems to all revolve around the concept of Classic being like Vanilla in that it encourages people to network and group up.
Now this doesnât mean that you canât solo content, it just generally means that you are going to make your leveling experience a bit more daunting than someone that might group up with others.
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No, solo queueârs should get more.