Dont believe the interviews much.
They say a lot of things that rarely happen as they describe them.
The paladin in me just had a stroke.
But I get where you are coming from.
XD Point remains though, I feel as though, if anything, the Alliance stole an awful lot of significant characters from the Forsaken 
Occupied lordaeron would have been fun for a while.
But its fart city now.
And any Forsaken currently existing in-game canĀ“t be developed to fulfill these roles becauseā¦?
ThatĀ“s the point, dudes. If āreformationā can be ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY achieved by proxy of external influence, then me thinks itĀ“s not an actual realistic reformation in the first place. The reformation has to be done INSIDE the current existing Forsaken culture, carefully developed with nuance so we as viewers can see it and believe it and say: damn, this people learned of the error of their ways (see: Nightborne in Legion regarding the Nightwell and their dependence to it).
The āreformationā as an accidental result of the self-insert character randomly brainwashing very dark people into becoming angels is nothing but more bad writtingā¦ itĀ“s not actual reformation in the first place (I mean, they would now decide to save puppies cause the rando princess -who didnĀ“t care for them for years and only decided to maybe ācareā for them because maybe her hubby and daughter are living between the Forsaken and also, windchime told her to- told them after acting like sociopaths 1 min ago? hilarious).
Voss respecting undead IS a recton. Her whole development post Legion IS a retcon.
Voss was a lunatic persecuting necromancers while happily ignoring Sylvanas and her Valkyrs existedā¦ raising people with necromancy. She was a joke character that actually became semi sane in BfA (one of the few ones not to become worse with the expac).
Truth hurts, I know. Most Forsaken fans hated Calia on BtS cause she was basically presented as a disccount Sylvanas aligned not with the death but with the Light and portrayed as āthe good choiceā by proxy of shtting on the former one (and Light worship is very prominent Alliance thematic you seeā¦ people despaired when devs made Seline a human in Legion and downplayed the whole Cult of the Forgotten Shadow they had going on for Forsaken before btw). It comes as a cheap way of āfixingā their waysā¦ an automathic way of making them good without the effort an actual development and investment the race would need to achieve it.
ItĀ“s the difference between the Nightborne narrative in Legion and the inclusion of the Velves in pre-patch quality wise, so to say.
And IĀ“m saying nothing limits those compromises as āonly achievable because of Calia, If it isnĀ“t Calia this CANĀØT never ever be achieved!!ā mentality you people have going on.
And thatĀ“s the issueā¦ some of us Hordies are SICK AND TIRED of Blizz only making our races evolve cause rando Alliance character showed our NPCs the way (This? literally what costed Sadfang his popularity with the Horde playerbaseā¦ people hated the fact he only rebelled because Anduin told him to). We are SICK AND TIRED of getting the waste of the Alliance character roster forcibly put upon us instead of getting development for the characters we already have and we already know and we already relate with.
Calia āfixing the Forsakenā is a joke cause guess what: from a viewer PoV she canĀ“t even understand what made them monsters in the first place; she never experienced it, nor cared to see the results of such tragic transformation even when she lived right next door to the Forsaken. Her whole demenor comes as incredibly entitled and ignorant from a viewer PoV. ItĀ“s literally Marie Antoinette taken into wow: āwhy do they (Forsaken) complain over not getting to eat bread (undead), they can eat pies (lightforged undead) instead!!ā /facepalm
And the guarantee all and every one of them is gonna follow her orders like good little soldiers is were exactly?
Cause as far as we know, the rando Orc sergeant has more chances to inspire loyalty on a Forsaken soldier than the woman that came from nowhere at the last minute and demands to be Queen cause her daddy used to be king.
And the Forsaken are a race entirely made of priest, amrite?
And that was idiotic and literally put them on a direct road to damnationā¦ so years after literally surviving that living hell, they should admire him becauseā¦?
His irresponsability caused the death of basically the whole kingdom. Uther and Jaina both saw the results and still he let Arthas go on a damning crusade that killed them all.
Irrelevant, she still didnĀ“t made any effort into learning and working and helping the Forsaken until those Forsaken came calling to her door.
I would call it unrealistic forgiveness and very much relistic cowardice, but to each their own.
Light was damaging and hurtful to Forsaken -see the Bloodsworn comics preceding BtS-.
And you guys still donĀ“t justify WHY the leader HAS TO Be Calia and not any other you knowā¦ actual Forsaken character.
I mean since when only achieve true good = Light?
Cause donĀ“t caring over massive incineration of Nelf civilians nor blighted Tauren troops nor Tauren civilians assasinated thanks to the ignorance of an enemy commander is the very peak of moral highground, amrite? Surely Derek was a worse crime than Teldrassil, by spades /sarcasm off
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Agreed.
Baine is a hypocrite.
We need Calia to fix the Horde.
I give her to you with a heavy heart.
I know. Thatās why I said
She wasnāt even a follower if I recall correctly. Just a table minion. Granted Voss shares the same distinction with her as of BFA but unlike her has been distinctly part of the Forsaken narrative since Cata.
Blizz has said they have no interest in Calia joining the Horde and I hope they stick to that. BFA was the expansion to introduce her and they failed to do so spectacularly. So try again - pick a different character. Or better yet introduce a new one.
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I can accept her into the Forsaken, but not as leader or any position near the leadership. The caveat is that she must bring with her the Paladin class to the Forsaken and perhaps some lightforged skins to go along with said Paladin class for those that want to try that look out.
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And I suppose you need Sylvanas to fix the Alliance? (so you know, you can get that desired āletĀ“s blow up all the Horde citiesā scenario)
Believe us, we give her to you guys with an even heavier heart (considering she got villain bated since WotLK just because she was Hordeā¦ WotLK really messed up on their portrayal of Sylvanas. If there was a chance to portray the Forsaken heroically, that was on Wrath. And the devs messed up, and messed up badly with them since then).
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Probably because all the current Forsaken are āold guardā
Well, considering their reformation came with direct external influence, perhaps not the best example.
No. Voss respecting CALIA is not a recon because thatās part of who Voss is. She rejected her undeath (and her vendetta against necromancers was a product of that.) Yes, she did an OOC aboutface at the start of BfA, but near the end of it (when she met with Calia) itās more of a RETURN to who she was before her aboutface in BfA, which I interpret as who the REAL Vivian Voss was, BEFORE her death, something many Forsaken have also not given up on despite Sylvannas trying to drum it out of them.
Sorry for causing you so much pain then.
So, none?
No, thatās entirely on you. Blizzard had nothing to do with that.
Saurfangās character never changed one bit. The only thing that changed was the facade that you had built up around him being shattered.
Anduin didnāt ātell himā to do anything. Saurfang was on his own path long before meeting Anduin. Anduin only showed him an open door (figuratively and literally) that Saurfang thought was closed to him.
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Alonsus Faol organized the original Paladins. Like thereās nothing she could do that he wouldnāt be entirely more qualified for.
Off topic but I got to thinking. You know the Kul Tirans have been made undead now, yeah? And they have shamans and druids, yeah? Soā¦
Just give me a third healer class for my beautiful dead bois already Blizz
Preferably Paladin as I think given Lordaeron and the story it makes the most sense. But I think both tide sages and drust witches can be undead sooooā¦
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I think itās a big part of their culture whether you accept it or not.
Alonsus is the one whoās been protecting Calia, and thus I suspect if Calia comes to the Horde so will Alonsus Faol, which is the REAL reason the Alliance is salty as hell about Calia and Derek going Horde. Arthas happened guys. Sorry, but itās a part of the lore.
I almost hope someone reanimates Anduin Lothar at this point just to see the reaction. xD
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Actually, I donāt see Faol ever going to Horde, even if he chooses a side.
If anything, I see him pulling more to being Neutral, like the Earthen Ring and the Cenarion Circle. But just a Neutral Priest organization.
His compassion for the wayward or broken people of Lordaeron might sell it, but that would also have to involve progressing past the āRed Vs. Blue, Me Horde. Me smash! Death to the living!!ā mentality.
I say that because itās the only way weād ensure that his character is not thoroughly ravaged, and then thrown naked into a gutter like the story of poor Undead Barbi-- erm Sylvanas Windrunner.
Yes. I think neutrality and a role in Netherlightās Priesthood would probably be the best solution. The idea of Alonsus going full on āI want to destroy the Cathedral I built! POWER TO THE FORSAKEN!!ā is so out of character thatā¦ Yeaaah.
Yeah, the whole "Death to the living!!ā crap is all Sylvannasā schtick that she had saddled the Forsaken with since the beginning and exactly what they need to leave behind them.
Even if she never becomes their Leader, this is something that Calia can give them that they canāt do for themselves.
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Hey, I remember this thread.
I think Iāll go ahead and re-post what I said there since it is relevant.
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Koltira. Iām sure him and his boyfriend can get the Forsaken race up and running again in no time.
The DKs have way to many good characters for the Horde and Alliance, itās a shame the chain of fake neutrality prevents this faction from participating in the major faction plotlines
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I think so. She seems to have pretty much been created for the purpose.
More importantly, making her leader of the Fosaken means sheās not the leader of some kinda Lightforged Undead allied race. and thatās what matters most.
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Calia should marry Meādan and go live with him in limbo.
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Main problem I have with Callia.
Sheās too damn pretty. Itās hard to imagine her really empathizing with the generic zombie Forsaken population who arenāt as aesthetically endowed. Or they with her.
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inhales
No I canāt do this, not today.
I already posted how Calia should have come to the Forsaken in that thread.
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