Should all bots/botting be banned?

Are you investigating every guild invite sent by people? A human player using a recruitment add-on is still a human player.

And yes, someone who can read or uses Listener can set keywords so they get an audio ping when someone says something in a chat that they see, so if I set a ping notification for whatever crafted items I can make, or a profession that I have, I could hear a notification, look, right click the name that sent the message with different-colored text and bam, fast response.

I can stand around for 8 hours in WoW doing absolutely nothing in-world, looking like I’m doing nothing but instead be memeing in trade chat. I’d still say that botting should be banned but only when it’s actual bots, not people being fast at responding, spamming their recruitment macro, or standing around idle.

Humans actually. They use stolen accounts, and use the already provided in-game tools, including /who and macro’s. Action only gets taken against them when players reporting there messages.

It is there way to steal more accounts.

Doubtful. A lot of bot accounts are generally throw-away accounts and are very likely stolen. This leads to fraudulent subscriptions and they need to pay the money back.

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Yes, we all know what a bot is. I’m not saying bots don’t exist, I’m just saying the things you are calling ‘bots’ aren’t bots even by your example. The bots that send you unsolicited messages, as I’ve said, are similar to the ones like “Blizzzard” trying to steal your account or the countless RMT advertisers that plague services channel and the LFG tool, which you should do your part in reporting.

They are actually all stolen accounts actually.

Reminds me of a certain admin that investigates themselves and claims no wrongdoing.

The ones sent to me? Yeah, the ones that hit every character or will hit various friends in COMPLETELY different zones than me at the same time?

“A human player using a botting program is still a human player, not a bot” - Brakk the wise

You’re free to hop onto OPs server, post an add for any profession and get multiple whispers the very second it’s sent.

You seem unfamiliar with the ones in the chats 24/7 sending garbled nonsense in the chats as well.

Good thing those are not being discussed in this thread, you can move on from it and find the threads discussing those instead if you wish to discuss them

its being done by blizzard endorsed add ons.

So its allowed. No grey space.

Who said its not from a human here?

Within the rules outlined.

A blizzard endorsed add on. Making it exempt from the rule you quoted

No, its not. If there is a person using it, its not a bot.

You are the one changing the context to fit a personal definition, ignoring the rules you quoted

It does not meet the definition of botting

Trying to change definitions on a whim must be tiring

Whats the point of yall linking the rules about botting, if you wont even read the rules you link

You do realize that whispers are global, yeah? You don’t need to be in the same zone to send a /whisper or /ginvite. They even introduced a feature to automatically block /ginvite under Options > Gameplay > Social if you are that bothered by them while playing on a guildless character.

And human player using a macro is not a bot. Botting programs are already defined by Blizzard, if they were using a botting program, it wouldn’t be on CurseForge and they would be banned.

And when it comes to “garbled” messages? Report them. If it is advertising RMT? Report them. If it is offensive? Report them. If it is spam? Report them. Guild adverts are generally just a guy hitting their trade chat macro every few minutes and if they are doing it faster than that, report them for spam. It’s just that simple.

You do realize you can only /who 50 people at a time and only by area, race, level, class, guild etc (But it’s also been broken for ages and doesn’t even show everyone) yet these addons have no problems bypassing that and sending tons of messages instantly with a g invite? I know there’s no way I’m sending that many messages by /who, hitting send message, then a macro.

Good thing that’s not what’s being discussed here.

Doesn’t seem to be the case. Tons of programs that violate their rules under that are in there as well as the ones that violate the rules by taking money are in there as well.

I do, I make a lot every day. Same ones will sit around, because as a blue poster mentioned it takes a certain amount of reports in a threshold for it to even GENERATE a ticket.

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I can believe that

I mean…

I say people using add-ons or macros to send messages aren’t a bot.
You guys keep saying it is botting.
I say it’s a macro or add-on.
You say that it’s botting.

You really keep wanting to discuss it like it’s botting, when it isn’t.

As for illegal mods on Curseforge? That’s just a bunch of nonsense by not understanding what constitutes an illegal mod.

It’s bots. It’s not always a human manually sending you spam. The majority of that spam… is bots.

Someone messages you and it’s not a person? That’s a bot.

Endorsed? Blizzard is endorsing them? o.O??

It is a grey space. Someone messages me. It’s not a player. What is it?

Who said it is? Are you arguing every message I get is from a person?

Where is Blizzard endorsing these addons?

Botting refers to the use of automated software to do things instead of the player.

The addons are automated things to the point they’d be classified as botting.

You have no evidence to support your argument that things are not being automated, because they provably are being automated. The player isn’t the one initiated the chats or even using macros in the cases we’re talking about.

No, I understand completely. Just like I understand the evokers that were exploiting in arena and still are allowed to play, doesn’t mean they were not using exploits because they were not actioned.

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Yes, if it’s a bot whispering you, report it.

THAT SAID, if you ask for someone to whisper you, and they whisper you, that is neither unsolicited or a bot. If someone sends you a guild invite, it’s usually a person using an addon, not a bot. Most bots would be the ones advertising RMT sites or trying to steal your account info, not the ones sending you guild invites or offering to fill your work order.

If they are using an add on, its Blizzard endorsed

Ok. Then you have to absolutely prove its not a human in order to sanction them.

Every add on allowed is Blizzard endorsed.

Except they arent

Its not on us to prove they are not being automated.

its on you to prove every single person using it is automated.

A person cant be banned for sending a message. You have to show there is not a human being at the controls.

And you have zero evidence that they are being automated or doing anything illegal.

We’re on the same side when it comes to bots = bad, the part where it’s different is you’re trying to define things that aren’t botting as botting when BLIZZARD already defined it, they made the rules and they enforce the rules.

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“Blizzard is the one that Classifies that” Also them “They’re not!!” Constant contradictions.

Then why are you in this thread trying to prove they’re not? You were not there for what OP is seeing or talking about, clearly.

Lmao you don’t even read what you’re writing.

From the genius Akston “If a player sits at a computer watching a program run, it is not a bot!”

Wasn’t aware you’re me and have access to everything I do.

Doesn’t seem to be the case, I don’t run into threads to run interference for them.

Yeah they defined it, and by their definitions things violate the EULA are not being actioned. That easy.

and what OP is saying is they’re not enforcing them in too many cases.

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all of the arguments aside, one thing we should take away from this is that SGI is a trash addon that should be deleted.

thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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“They aren’t banning people for botting” when they aren’t botting, that’s what the OP is on about. If people aren’t being actioned, they aren’t being reported OR they are being reported and are found to be innocent.

By their definitions, if they find they weren’t botting, they won’t get banned. Your interpretation of their definition doesn’t make it ban-worthy, only their definition does.

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Exactly.

Which is another reason this is a player driven issue. Secure your accounts using 2FA, people.