Speed-running dungeons for badges was pretty fast. I would bet you could clear a Mechanar in 10 minutes in Sunwell Badge Epics.
I just wish they would stop designing dungeons around Mythic Plus. They are all linear with too much trash.
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Shorter dungeons would be okay, but I want dungeons that are less linear and more open for multiple paths to be taken.
Blizz could have special random encounters depending on the path you take that offer additional loot and prizes.
I wish they would design dungeons around M+.
Imagine criticizing people who want immersion in an RPG game. Yikes. If you want E-sports with no story, League of Legends is over there.
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3 boss dungeons are ideal, imo. But I like that there is varietyâand I think all following the same format/duration would get old fast.
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I would say also make M0 queueable in place of heroics.
What does âimmersionâ even mean?
It means looking at memes on your phone while your character drinks his 16th glass on milk in the last hour.
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Go back to 2004 from whence you came.
Again, primarily due to how classes work not the dungeon design.
Shadow labs is 5-7 trash packs then a boss which fairly normal for any dungeons design.
Class design changes are what made it slow and fast. Needing to drink every pull, adding more survivability to tanks, adding better aoe threat, etc.
How long do you think De Other Side would take if everyone had to drink for 30 seconds after every pull and you could only pull 1 pack at a time?
Try and separate dungeon design from class design.
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its should be 30 minutes or 1 hour to fit with the buffs/consumables.
i waste so much of them with ~30minute left knowing that the run will be slightly more than 30 minutes lol
wouldnt be very nice to sit down and buff up 3/4 into a dungeon so i just overwrite them with fresh ones before it starts. big waste.
Imagine pulling these birds one at a time and using hard CCs if multiple socialed. That pat of 3 using hard ccs. Lol.
Itâs so hilarious to imagine. But also insane that people glorify that type of pace.
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It means creating an environment that allows the player/reader/watcher adopt what is called âsuspension of disbeliefâ.
Good question, I hate some dungeons in Shadowlands but itâs more for the forced RP/waiting and unpleasant bosses than the amount of time. Though the length doesnât help.
I hate De Other Side. I hate everything about it. I got salty every time I got a DoS key this expansion. This dungeon feels like it was made to annoy me as much as possible. I hate every single boss especially the last one. I hate ALL the trash in the whole manastorm wing (thanks to Wo most can be skipped finally). I hate the required backtracking and the general absurd layout of the dungeon. I hate how dark the place is. I hate the two red mobs that can break the run on 24+ fortified if you donât have immunes. I hate that your character is possessed for four seconds after killing every boss. I hate that the knockoff ability on the ring is hard to see, it is not apparent enough what direction the mob is facing. I hate the mobs that require stuns and must be killed before a short timer. This dungeon is the Devilâs armpit and I will not miss it Shadowlands is over.
That it lasts so long isnât great, I would prefer a shorter version of DoS. But the main thing I want is that dungeons are fun and not actively trying to stress me out.
thatâs relative to each person i guess.
i know i canât get immersed if my character is the wrong gender or canât be bald 
*literally got bored of lost ark ahead of time because only warriors can be bald lol
^ the above is Classic Andyâs definition of âskillâ.
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For rating it all
S tier
Gambit
A
Mists, HoA, NW
B
Streets
C
SoA, PF, ToP
D or lower
SD and DoS
A lot of Thematically good dungeons for storey telling but they just donât translate well into keys.
I want Mega dungeons. Our current ones last like 30min already.
RIP.
I enjoy it. Iâm kind of scared of it sometimes, but I enjoy it. Itâs fun.
Whatcha be giving me dat look for?
Lol.
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