Shatterspear messed around and found out
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Iâm not sure about that, as it was an article hosted on the World of Warcraft website and it did not survive the overhaul, which still contains plenty of lore documentation. If it was still considered canon, Iâd have thought theyâd preserve it.
Also, we know from the maps of primordial Azeroth that the Night Elves did take a lot of the land the trolls originally colonized themselves. Hereâs the map of the Troll Empires post-Aqir war:
Now according to the Chronicle the trolls did not expand their empire further than the borders shown in this image, so what youâre seeing here are the three main troll empires at their height. Now this is what the Night Elf territory looked like during itâs height:
As you can see they pushed deep into the territories that all three of the main empires controlled, including the Zandalari, although they did not go further south than that, meaning they did not attempt to take the territory that would one day become Pandaria.
Now Azshara claims that this was the empire that she built. So if sheâs taking this much territory from the Trolls, either she didnât recognize that territory as theirs (and as such kept away from the major cities of each of the Troll empires) or the Troll Compendium has been retconned, and as the Compendium didnât survive the website change, Iâm guessing it was the latter.
It was during this era of unprecedented growth that Queen Azshara came to power. She was adored by night elves of every social standing, seemingly immune to the ire the lower castes developed against some of their Highborne nobles. The elves were so enamored with her that they renamed their wondrous capital Zin-Azshari, or âthe Glory of Azsharaâ. Sharing the priestsâ curiosity towards the Well of Eternity, Azshara pushed the educated Highborne to plumb its secrets and reveal its true purpose in the world. The Highborne buried themselves in their work and studied the Well ceaselessly.
The night elf empire then started their rise to power by defeating the nearby troll tribes.[10] Against their enemies, the kaldorei used overwhelming military power, their armies supported by Eluneâs blessings. The night elvesâ greatest soldiers were bestowed the goddessâ fury through dangerous rituals, and these Night Warriors secured Kalimdor for the empire.[11]
The empire saw the creation of such marvelous wonders that Azeroth would never see its like again, even in the modern age. Expeditionary forces, too, would be sent to explore and spread the empireâs borders, bringing back tales of far-away lands and races.[12]
But only the openly hostile troll nations drew the full attention of the elves. Despite their battles with the trolls, the night elves had built up the mighty Kaldorei Empire that expanded rapidly across Kalimdor. Not since the Black Empire in ages past had a territory grown so vast in size and scope. The immense influence Azshara held over the world and its denizens eclipsed even Lei Shenâs wildest dreams of power.[13] Empowered by the Well and wielding fierce magics never before imagined by the trolls, the night elves soon threatened the two greatest empires on Azeroth: the Amani and Gurubashi.[4]
The night elves systematically dismantled the trollâs defenses and supply chains. Unable to counter the elvesâ destructive magics, the trolls buckled under the onslaught. The territories of the Gurubashi and Amani empires fragmented within only a few years. The elves however were not interested in more conquest. In the eyes of Queen Azshara, the trolls were a minor nuisance, their battle lust a symptom of primitive and unenlightened minds. Ultimately, the queen struck an accord with the Zandalar tribe, which held immense influence over all other trolls. In exchange for ending troll incursions into night elf territory, the Zandalari would be allowed to keep the sacred Zandalar Mountains south of the Well of Eternity. Fully aware they stood no chance against their enemiesâ arcane powers, the trolls begrudgingly agreed. The night elvesâ shockingly quick victory and the trollsâ shameful acquiescence fostered the trollsâ deep resentment and eternal hatred toward night elves,[14] lasting to this very day.
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The way that the troll genocide is portrayed in wow remind me a lot of the one against the first nation. People often forget the first nation genocide because it wasnât teach to us like one. Even the other day, someone mentioned the night elf genocide in BFa like something on a scale that never happened in the real world and no one thought about the first nation one.
A lot like for the troll, we lack of information about how they died even if we do have a lot of other information on event that happened in those time and whenever someone talk about a potential genocide, people always find a excuse for it.
For the first nation, i always hear someone talking about how their tribe killed each other and how disease is what killed them and how we didnât really kill that much. For the troll, its always about how the troll must have attacked first and how their is no lore that talk about a genocide and people often use that really small simple of lore that talk about a pact of non aggression between both even if this is just a super small periode of time in the lore and a lot of thing could have happened before and after.
And one of the main reason for all that, is that on both case the story is made with the one that committed the genocide as the protagonist, so the story is super biased. In Warcraft, the NE were one of the 2 protagonist with the human wile the troll were clearly a enemy and in real life, most of our history of this period is made made by european.
So in both case, no we do not have a clear prove that a genocide happened but we can still take it like if it happened.
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Doubtful since until recently Tyrande was immortal and the Nightbourne never were. They actually had generations and you can see children in the streets.
Unlike Malfurion, Tyrande has never been spoken of has having blood relations.
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The Nightborne were also immortal, thanks to the powers of the Nightwell.
Thalyssra was alive when the shield was erected during the War of the Ancients, the Nightborne were not given immortality thanks to the World Tree and the blessings of the Dragonflights.
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Interesting take - the chunk from Chronicles read more to me like the Roman Empire expanding its borders into the surrounding tribes and nations.
Iâm going to have to assume however that that immortality was qualified or limited since if youâre stuck in a bottle, and youâre having kids who have kids and everyone was immortal Suramar would become itâs own version of Planet Gideon fairly quick.
I donât believe the immortality was limited, but I could imagine the Nightborne passing laws to limit the number of children a couple could have, as to not put a strain on Suramarâs resources.
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Well, we know a few of the named characters were alive during the Sundering, including our point of view character.
It should be considered still canon until Blizzard say they are not or theyâre retconned by new lore, as of now they donât contradict the other sources, if anything they just add more to them to give a clearer view, as those old lore articles was the only source for some other lore as well like for example the mists of Kalimdor that was not sourced in any other media until the release of Exploring Azeroth: Kalimdor.
So clearly those old articles are still valuable.
Exactly, which is why itâs weird that she claims she does not want conquest especially when chronicles already established that the empire pushed back other races like the trolls. Combine this with the compendiumâs that the start of the rise was the defeat of nearby tribes, I think it makes sense that she already claimed all the troll lands she wished for, and now the angry trolls was launching annoying incursions into her empire. So at this point she struck the deal with the zandalari.
Note that chronicles does not mention really at what point the hostilities with the trolls started or if there were previous ones either. Just as the compendium does not rule out later hostilities, itâs just a statement that at the start of their rise they defeated the nearby tribes.
I mean Azshara was seen by her people and her self as something divine. If she wished for something then it was to be so. If she wanted land then too bad for the races already living there.
This worldview ultimately led her to how she would âperfectâ her world by ridding it by all filth like the lowborne and other races by her pact with Sargeras.
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The whole point of the whole Troll arc in Cata/MOP has been that the trolls needs to get along with their neighbors to survive and stop looking to take back their lost empire. Their aggressive attempts to retake land has always ended badly for them.
Even in BFA they joined the aggressor faction and ended getting invaded due to that. At this point if they donât try to simply just consolidate their current holdings and stop picking fights with other groups they are going to get wiped out.
Talanji needs to wake up and see her actions brought down the Ire of the alliance on the Zandalari. If she keeps trying to get revenge on the alliance she is going to end up being responsible for her people being wiped out. Even now they have had 2 civil wars and been invaded so I doubt they are in any state to stand against anybody.
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Now youâre just making stuff up. This is neither supported by Chronicles nor the Troll Compendium, if the Troll Compendium is still lore at all.
Doubtful. Again, large areas surrounding the Well of Eternity (especially to the East and West) didnât belong do any Troll tribe at all. They had to expand into these areas first before reaching any other Troll territory.
Well yes, that is the story of the trolls. I love Shadows of the Horde. Such a great book where Volâjin get to ponder what it mean to be a troll, to be Horde etc.
And where he realize that the troll continuous fight to reclaim what was once taken from them, a return to glory in a world so altered itâs barely recognizable to the ancient times when they was at their peak, such a return is just not possible and it would be a horrible suicide and cruelty, just like Garrosh was hunting for his great honorable Horde.
The trolls has to adapt with the world instead if they wish to survive the current world.
His fatherâs spirit even told him in a vision that heâs going to save trollkind.
Which is why it is very exciting that Volâjin is becoming a loa, he will most likely lead trollkind out of their stagnant ways and instead adapt.
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Oh i hope they do that justice and do it soon but im not gonna hold my breath. Im sure they will find a way to make a mess of it.
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Spoken like a true Horde player 
It means theyâll kill him, like they eventually do with all loa.
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Yeah nah, most Loa are actually still very much among the living, or in a state where they can be reborn eventually. The only Loa that are actually dead are Dambala, Gâhuun, Kithâix, Rezan and Xibala.
5 (2 of which are actually old god creations that were worshipped by misguided trolls) out of 37 is far from âall loaâ, and those are just the ones we know of.
I was not saying Tyrande has siblings, I was saying it is possible for a night elf and a Nightborne to be siblings.
Maybe, if the Alliance was ever the aggressor and if the Horde could ever win a war.
Completely unrelated to what we were discussing, that is to say the Trollâs relations with their neighbors. But if you want to talk about that, well, I think anyone would resort to bad stuff if they thought that doing so could protect them from total annihilation at the hands of a gigantic undead army and its Flying_Death_Fortressâ˘.
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Only way thatâs possible is if one the nightborne or kaldorei had siblings 10k years before the shield was erected over Suramar