i am specifically asking for shaman mains that pvp respond here, if they ever pvp mained as a paladin in the past. i would love to hear your anecdotes and sincere opinions on what its like having to go toe to toe against shamans of really any build during SOD.
Many Paladins went Shaman but no Shaman went Paladin, pretty telling
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hahah no kidding but im sure there exists some
Incoming shamans.
If you build it, they will come.
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Ya my body is ready for the slew of crap that is incoming
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inb4 shaman gaslighters
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gotta light up that lava burst somehow
I mean I’ve played Paladin in past iterations of WoW, TBC and Wrath I had low level ret twinks, 29 and 39 brackets.
Rets weakness remains the same as always, which is dispels. They need a rune specifically for some dispel protection at the cost of some damage and they gucci in PvP.
Before I get the usual cast of pole riders, I think DW enh was a mistake and if it were removed 2h enh would actually be far healthier for the game.
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I could never level a paladin beyond like, 16. Its so boring, all you do is press seals and judgements and heal.
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yeah I feel for you on that, pretty lame they are making everyone DW when it is apparent no one does
I actually really like the spell/judge system, all my HC characters were pallies because I find it really fun.
Don’t forget HoJ and Bubble. Those are key components of paladin gameplay that everyone complains about.
If you’re not OP bubble killing 4-5 horde, you’re not living life amirite?
Shamans have always countered paladins 1v1 since regular vanilla/era. This definitely isnt just a SoD thing.
I am rereading the OP here and it seems like he wants people who play both factions, specifically ret and enh/ele pvprs? That’s going to be a pretty small sample size I would imagine.
I actually started WoW as a Ret Paladin at the very beginning of Wrath, and then switched to Shaman once I discovered it.
So I might be of some assistance here. Since SoD is more like Wrath than Vanilla for Paladins.
(Speaking mostly for enhance, but I’ll touch on Ele)
Paladins are general all around “better” due to their toolkit being a mix of stupidly strong mitigation, self healing, and burst damage, that they can actually start from range. (Exorcism)
If the fight outlasts their mitigation and CC tools, they can be in trouble, but that generally doesn’t happen with how much damage they can do outside of melee range.
Enhancement Shamans are pretty much pure aggression, and live by it. If you’re not hitting someone, you’re dead.
Everything you have for self healing is reliant on you beating someone up, and the kit leans into that. Decoy totem to keep from getting rooted/slowed as well as Frostshock to keep from being effectively kited by most classes.
These were even stronger in wrath, but we don’t have them here so I’m not going to talk about it lol)
While they’re in melee range, they are near gods on damage- but they have no CC to use for defense.
An enhancement shaman that gets opened up on by a priest/mage/warlock at max range is very likely dead since the smart thing for them to do is kite the shaman and stay out of 30 yard range…
Shaman can ghost wolf, and likely catch up to a warlock in time, but less so with priest or mage.
If a paladin wants to destroy an enhancement shaman in PvP, they literally just have to bubble. (MSW procs won’t happen if the target is bubbled.)
Deleting most of shamans kit…and the paladin can pretty much do whatever it wants because the Shaman isn’t going anywhere any faster than the paladin unless it wants to ghost wolf…which can be interrupted with a Repentance.
If the Shaman is somehow still alive at the end of the bubble, they can drop an HoJ for extra security… it’s going to be dead or mostly dead by the end of that and not be able to recover.
Without bubble gets a bit tougher, but it’ll center around the CC and AoW procs.
Elemental Shaman is actually a lot easier than you think, even without the bubble. They’ll smack you hard from range, but they pretty much have to hard cast everything. And if they want to maximize their LBurst, they’ll need to get into range of Repentance. (Or with the totem, just outside of it) Elemental Shamans have little escape from melee pressure (Grounding can work, but pretty much everyone has a slow for the shaman too so it’s an RP walking fight.)
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Main reason I hate on shamans is they literally got everything I wanted ret pally to have with their runes. Maelstrom for instant cast heal procs and then spell power scaling with mental dexterity. And riptide as an instant cast heal to top it off! Would gladly trade bubble for those!
have shamans also countered every other class? have shamans also historically been given everything paladins have right down to weapon skill? where is our stun resist passive right off the top as a paladin? o wait, our benefits were given to the horde side with virtually no reciprocation. strange taht one. did they even bother putting in the holy paladin set that they happened to forget at p3 launch? did they forget to give shamans their gear sets? didnt think so
Sorry about your wild strikes, we’ll be taking those back.
You can keep Lion…all it does is make our hunters whine.
you got the same benefit with druids too. its not they took it away from shaman. you have 2 classes while we HAVE to bring a feral for that buff. but horde? no they have more options. what is also strange is I dont have a personal feral in my pocket everytime i swing at a shaman, yet shaman have all my abilities in the form of totems now.
Still optimal to bring a feral. 3% crit aint no joke.