There are several comments about Shaman threat and how huge it is when tanking, but the problem goes on to DPS as well, to the point where only Shaman Tank can hold threat from other Shamans.
SoD bring interesting builds to Shaman, such as Rockbiter AP buff, Molten Blast AoE damage, Shamanistic Rage mana regen, Lava Burst (as the name say, burst of damage) but those abilities combined (or even not in most of the cases) make it unplayable for DPS Shaman.
Rockbiter + Molten Blast could only generate additional Threat if Way of the Earth is active, or even not regenerate additional Threat at all, there is already buffs from Way of the Earth, it could be only reallocated to it.
On top of that even Earth Shock when used only for interrupt is an immediate Taunt over most tanks.
When in comparison with other tanks Shamans simply explode the Threat and can only be taken off with Taunt, deescalate the overall threat on Shaman help both balance it in comparison with other tanks as well as allow DPS to be build more freely.
On my experience, even while double Flametongue, only Shaman Tanks are able to hold threat, the overall threat from Shamans are much higher than average
The general consensus Iâve seen is that rockbiter is higher dps than flametongue. So the only reason to not use rockbiter is if itâs generating too much threat while in a party.
Threat for shaman should be the same as ânormalâ classic. Donât use rockbiter, donât earthshock unless interrupts are needed, give the tank a few seconds to get threat, only attack the main target if itâs marked. Get a threat meter. If youâre close to pulling threat, back off on the dps. The basics of threat management still apply. This is classic not retail.
Rockbiter on itâs own is massive single target threat. Youâll basically always be in danger of pulling threat with it and shouldnât be using it ever as dps. Turn off the DPS meter, put the epeen away, let the group function smoothly while doing slightly less dps.
You can tell who here doesnât play an enhancement shaman. Rockbiter is the best dps imbue by a mile. We either pull aggro or do 30% less damage. Rockbiter is even better than Wild Strikes and makes Shamanistic Rage not useless.
I agree all those steps are used for managing threat control, and once all of those are applied shamans DPS are not even close to be competitive and/or wonât allow the new features of SoD to be apply combined.
Even WITHOUT using Rockbiter the threat is still way above any other class or spec and the DPS isnât there.
Sounds like a level 25 problem. Goes away overnight once you get windfury weapon + higher ranks of flametongue, but that wonât happen til level 40 cap. I doubt Blizzard makes any changes because of these quirks that only exist because of the artificial level cap.
In the meantime: get a dual wielding Warrior to tank and you should be fine on a single target.
Outside of the last 2 bosses in BFD, why would any DPS need to pump damage? If the Tank canât hold threat, stop trying to pad the meter. It is that simple. At this point it feels like 90% of the SOD player base is from retail and has never played any iteration of Classic or Vanilla. The game is not going to be balanced at each phase lvl cap, itâs just not possible. Phase 1 is all about enjoying the ride with half your class abilities and 16 talent points.
You say pump damage but youâre asking a spec who already does less damage than most specs to lose an extra 30%. Itâs not padding the meters when youâre trying to keep up with other classes.
It doesnât make sense to balance the game around level 25 content. It would require massive amounts of work to rebalance and tune each class every new phase. This is Classic WoW with a few new spells/abilities. Some classes are simply not going to be good until they have access to their full tool kit. Shadow Priests without Shadowform as an example; the spec will be fun in a phase or 2 but it is complete trash right now. It is the reality of having half your class abilities and 16 talent points.
Rb is by far the way to go. Autos critting for 300âŚwhy gimp yourself playing the gimmicky FT wep.
Rb shouldnât produce the amount of threat its doing right now,without WoTE.I land 2 autos on anything thats not a shammy tank and I turn into the tank.
