Shadows Rising: State of Azeroth Details

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Anduin stabbing her in the back and with magic

No? Not unless she reacted to it in a way that isn’t favorable for the Alliance. I’d be more interested in the Alliance harming the Horde and her reacting to it as a crime.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Tyrande yelling at her and blaming her for Teldrassil

No? She wasn’t even there. Tyrande’s stupid. News at 11.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

The hypothetical ideal questiline mentioned above in this post, which would allow her to engage with every “major” dimension of Vanilla through Legion Forsaken-ness:

That’d be necessary, yes.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Her willingly using her usually ignored Shadow powers in some dramatic way, .e.g Shadow Ascendant

I don’t think her holy powers are as big of a deal as I do her very clearly being an Alliance spy sent to control the Horde for the Alliance.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Her bonding with, idk, Thalyssra (as the New Girls on the Block), and Lorthemar (previous Alliance now Horde bonding), and Bwonsamdi (musing about death)

She does need to bond with the Horde as opposed to the Alliance.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Her pushing back on Baine regarding the Alliance

This’d be good.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

No? Not unless she reacted to it in a way that isn’t favorable for the Alliance. I’d be more interested in the Alliance harming the Horde and her reacting to it as a crime.

I mean, does one react favorably to being stabbed in the back with void tendrils by someone you partially raised?

I’d be down for Anduin cornering Calia in a rage, “WHAT DO YOU KNOW YOU MONSTER”, using shadow magic to choke her, and her breaking out as a Shadow Ascendant, realizing he intends on killing her if she doesn’t help him, and that he doesn’t actually consider her fully human anymore.

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

No? She wasn’t even there. Tyrande’s stupid. News at 11.

Nor were most Forsaken, I imagine, and yet lol

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

That’d be necessary, yes.

Nice

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

I don’t think her holy powers are as big of a deal as I do her very clearly being an Alliance spy sent to control the Horde for the Alliance.

Eh. For me part of the Forsaken mythos, and why I made a Shadow Priest Alt, is the Cult of Forgotten Shadow dimension. I would love for Calia’s progression to include Natalie Seline getting an Undead model and the Cult of Forgotten Shadow taking a bigger “center” in Forsaken culture. Maybe a nice Shadow Cathedral in the Forsaken starting area.

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

She does need to bond with the Horde as opposed to the Alliance.

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

This’d be good.

Nice x2

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

I mean, does one react favorably to being stabbed in the back with void tendrils by someone you partially raised?

I’d be down for Anduin cornering Calia in a rage, “WHAT DO YOU KNOW YOU MONSTER”, using shadow magic to choke her, and her breaking out as a Shadow Ascendant, realizing he intends on killing her if she doesn’t help him, and that he doesn’t actually consider her fully human anymore.

That just makes it Calia reacting to a Calia problem instead of a Horde problem.
That tells me she’s self interested, but I already think she’s self interested. I don’t think she’s Horde interested.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Eh. For me part of the Forsaken mythos, and why I made a Shadow Priest Alt, is the Cult of Forgotten Shadow dimension. I would love for Calia’s progression to include Natalie Seline getting an Undead model and the Cult of Forgotten Shadow taking a bigger “center” in Forsaken culture. Maybe a nice Shadow Cathedral in the Forsaken starting area.

That’s fine.

[Katiera-moon-guard (Katiera)]

I am 100% sure sarm is right and it exists, I remember reading something about it. But i also couldn’t find anything.

[Kaleaon-dalaran]

I follow Christie Golden on twitter and I too know for a fact she tweeted this at some point. But she tweets a lot, and by a lot I mean a lot a lot, and who wants to try and find it? Not me. That’s who.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Gornur-nerzhul

This if first time that I am hearing anything like this. So I have to ask what is your source on this?

@Sarm-malganis

Trying to find it although I’m not having any luck. I swear I’m not crazy, but I know that’s not exactly proof. :x

@Katiera-moon-guard

100% sure sarm is right and it exists,

@Kaleaon-dalaran

I follow Christie Golden on twitter

Found it yall, ya lazy bums

`https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/status/1158113979698257920?s=20

Edit: this does confirm kinda that blizzard intended a 100% random person be the “Calia” in the plot, which oof, yikes

[Ahmanét-garrosh]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Her bonding with, idk, Thalyssra (as the New Girls on the Block), and Lorthemar (previous Alliance now Horde bonding), and Bwonsamdi (musing about death)

This would be interesting for me to see. I’m not sure how he’d react to a human wanting to talk to him, but I think he’s flexible with non-troll races, judging by the deals that he’s made

But… wouldn’t it lead to some people doing CaliaxBwonsamdi? O_o

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Ahmanét-garrosh

But… wouldn’t it lead to some people doing CaliaxBwonsamdi? O_o

“Yes Harvester of Desire? I would like to report some sins of Desire. Yes. Her name is Ahmanet, a Zandalari Troll priestess. Yes I’ll hold”

[Ahmanét-garrosh]

I mean… I’ve seen Talanji x Bwonsamdi and even Rastakhan x Bwonsamdi, so it’s bound to happen eventually lol

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

“HARVESTER OF DESIRE IT IS AN ARGENT MATTER YES SHE’LL BE IN THE SANGUINE HALLS FOR MANY CENTURIES yes I’ll hold”

[Kazthan-argent-dawn]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Motherland and help our people move ahead and become great and powerful once more

It’s always weird to read or hear such things. Perhaps because I’m happy in a small nation. I understand the “great” part. But oh well.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

I have sympathy for Calia as a Colombian who was Diaspora to the US his whole life and currently moved back to Colombia where everyone is using the same arguments that I’m not a “real” Colombian, even though my family’s roots has ridiculous heritage (one side founded one of our major cities during the colonial period, the other side is indigenous), and I know how the “culture” works from spending every summer in the motherland. I moved back to Colombia because I believe us in the Diaspora have an obligation to go back to the Motherland and help our people move ahead and become great and powerful once more, and to help heal the wounds from wars that led to us fleeing the country in the first place.

I think people are being unfair to Calia honestly, from an IRL cultural-immigration-claiming perspective, it’s the same trash arguments used against many POC when they repatriate or even visit our “Motherland”.

That’s a very weird stretch. Those idiots are unfair to you for sure. I could say more but what’s the point?

You are unfair to the Forsaken and their fans. Calia is the anti Forsaken 100% and only because you don’t want to argue against what people are saying you come up with such a weird argument.

Calia wanted nothing to do with the Fosaken. She is another love child of Golden and we don’t need those.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

And a Prodigal Daughter returning would fit into that.

No. Not all.

@Baalsamael-turalyon

This is, in a lot of ways, the story of a war-time refugee trying to repatriate to her motherland, and how the locals will receive her.

More like the tyrants sister, who didn’t care about her people. It’s neither good, not noble It’s lazy story telling and accepting all the retcons. Like Forsaken forbidding memories of their old lives.
We knew the Forsaken reached out before.
Heck she was risen by the light.

I will stand by my point. It is the destruction of the Forsaken, if Calia will become the queen. No matter what wrong rl relations you want to draw

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Ahmanét-garrosh

I mean… I’ve seen Talanji x Bwonsamdi and even Rastakhan x Bwonsamdi, so it’s bound to happen eventually lol

“Two characters were within 100 feet, they’re in love.”

[Gornur-nerzhul (Gornur)]

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

“Two characters were within 100 feet, they’re in love.”

And crossovers treat it as two characters existing, means they’re in love.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Kazthan-argent-dawn

You are unfair to the Forsaken and their fans. Calia is the anti Forsaken 100% and only because you don’t want to argue against what people are saying you come up with such a weird argument.

I’ve been arguing against what people are saying for weeks now, as well as trying to push everyone in a less-whiney more-productive direction of trying to push for a narrative that would be good given the fact the direction Blizzard is going is clear.

Player voice is not going to change that direction but it could help shape a better narrative.

People insisting Calia isn’t going to end up being the Forsaken leader are kidding themselves.

Player voice at this point in time is more useful in pushing for an iteration of their plan that would be Good. And if you think Calia in no circumstance would be good, then that’s it, it’s a wrap. Play another race. Because there’s where we are going.

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

It isn’t enough that in neutral content we never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever work with Horde characters and strictly only work with the Alliance.

Now we must also have Alliance as Horde leaders.

[Katiera-moon-guard (Katiera)]

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

Now we must also have Alliance as Horde leaders.

sylvanas was alliance.

[Pellex-hyjal (Pellex)]

@Sarm-malganis

Trying to find it although I’m not having any luck.

You got me curious, so I started looking for it too. Best I could find so far was this:

The Sylvanas that BFA wants you to forget

No the character in BtS wasn’t originally Calia. Golden pushed for it to become Calia. I’m pretty sure she tweeted it but I’m not at a pc and have no idea how to search someone’s twitter on mobile.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

i already found it lol

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Found it yall, ya lazy bums

`https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/status/1158113979698257920?s=20

Edit: this does confirm kinda that blizzard intended a 100% random person be the “Calia” in the plot, which oof, yikes

[Pellex-hyjal (Pellex)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

i already found it lol

Aha! Thanks. That’s what I get for posting before I’ve finished reading the whole thread.

This tweet doesn’t seem to have the part about how the first “light undead” was supposed to be someone else, though–?

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

Nah as per the tweets I found it was due to a T&E video that week