Just flag the troll and move along folks.
^ Once you picked a faction, otherwise the entire questline was linear.
If you picked a faction on your alts, there was no questline, it was considered done.
You couldnât choose if you wanted to start with Ardenweald or Revendreth, you always have to start questing in Bastion. Then Maldraxxus⌠etc. I have a lot of alts, I like variety, and SL did not offer me that.
On DF you go to the table pick your starting quest area, and do the questlines of your choice. Just like Legion and BFA.
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âAdd a new zone where you canât mount.â Worgen Supremacy FTW. You can take my mount but you canât take my Running Wild.
but yes Shadowlands was a hot disaster on almost every front. Thematically it could have been cool but the story was non-sense even if you ignore the appalling retcons and the design of just about everything artistically or mechanically was either bad or boring.
Except Ardenweld. They actually did a good job with that zone i thought.
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The issue with Torghast was never Torghastâs concept, but the fact that it gave no gear and was completely mandatory for other endgame content.
You could choose one different ability from a pool of four. Hero Talents are pretty similar in concept and execution, just without the needless tedium of covenant switches and grinding renown for power.
Xalâatath is a much better antagonist than the Jailer.
If Shadowlands hadnât screwed with existing lore to function at a basic level it wouldâve actually been received well. It changed things people knew and understood about the story to justify its existence as an expansion, and to justify the primary antagonist.
There are plenty of interesting characters. Whether or not you like them is another question. 
All four zones are exceptionally well done. The Shadowlands zones were fairly monochromatic for the most part. The areas of each zone started to blend together as you played through them.
Denathrius was a better executed opening antagonist than Ansurek, that Iâll agree with. Unfortunately, Denathrius was the only decently executed antagonist of Shadowlands, and Nathria was generally the most interesting/flavorful of its raids, minus specific fights in other raids.
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I remember heading to the âtableâ where all the covenant reps were and picking a zone on my alts.
You got that âaiding the (zone)â quest⌠fill the bar to 100 and get massive XP. You could literally do any quest wherever. Hell, I leveled one alt 100% in Torghast I remember.
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Definitely not, 95% of its character is about her appearance.
Name them, i didnât find a single one, Baelgrim at best but he died soon.
Exactly.
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^^^
Grind rep before questing. You just proved my point. Itâs not the same thing.
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Delves would still be a better experience.
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Iâll give you Denathrius being based but thatâs all youâre getting.
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If you could reach torghast without passing through the Maw and Torghast actually had decent loot, ranked etc⌠theres no way delves would be betterâŚ
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Would you care to elaborate past that? Thatâs a pretty vague assertion.
The Steelstrikes, Baelgonn, Brinthe, the Weaver and Vizier Nizrek, the Haronir weâre introduced to at the beginning of Azj-Kahet and their people/tribe (drawing a blank on name for some reason).
In addition to the recurring cast of existing characters, being Alleria/Anduin/Moira/Magni.
The problem is, thatâs how it was. They didnât make it its own endgame, they made it a means to an end for legendaries. People hate it because of how it was used. Iâm not sure making delves was better or worse in a strict sense, just different.
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So⌠LOL! 
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I hated Torghast. Loot wouldnât have changed my mind. I love Delves.
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You literally fill the bar by questingâŚ
it is this troll even? LMAO!
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The ones who like her, like her because she is attractive. if you change her appearance for a nerubian more than 90% of her fans will not be her fans anymore.
My point is, torghast and delves under the same system, torghast would be better.
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I have to agree ( not the "troll part) , you could go to whichever zone you wanted at some point. maybe he was talking before they opened up that option. I think it was something they added as a QOL for alts a couple patches in.
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And itâd still suck because a full run of Torghast still took twice as long as a single delve.
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I actually agree, I loved SL first raid, the theme and the bosses were just perfect.
I loved SL zones and did a lot of content to get the cosmetics.
I think torghast was actually WAY BETTER than delves because of the randomess and OP powers, delves in comparision are ultra boring. I also donât know why people say torghast needed to reward better things, it literally allowed you to craft legendaries.
I will admit that the maw as a whole wasnât a hit.
I had to leave the game for the second season and missed the sylv raid but I went back to get a lot of the xmog especially during season 4, the very first fated season.
I loved the final raid, yes it was long, but the bosses were amazing, the fights⌠halondrus⌠portal bosses⌠anduin and the last 3.
They introduced the bad luck protection for tier conversion, which was a huge win.
And when they lifted restrictions to switch covenants the expac became even better.
I also enjoyed M+ and most SL dungeons I thought were great thematically, I enjoyed a lot of the boss fights and am one of the few happy to have 2 of those back in rotation this M+ season despite it being a ****show for most.
I have very fond memories of SL. Sure they could of done better for thrallâs mom, arthas, uther and garrosh storylines but hey you canât have it all. Ardenweald was amazing, maldraxxus was perfect thematically, I grew to love the new aesthetic presented in bastion but most of all revendreth was perfection incarnate.
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This is like comparing a punch in the gut, a punch in the chest, n a punch in the face
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Its usually a âslapâ around here , pal.
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