Shadowlands is Removed From The World of Warcraft

That is because its not a city, its an airport.

Not every place needs to be emotionally memorable.

Haven’t experienced this problem myseld. There are roads everywhere and they are usually clear of mobs, with the exception of an elite part of each zone.

Yeah its a bit annoying. It gets way better with the portal to oribos.

I actually feel that pandaria, bc and wod feel much less like azeroth then shadowlands does.

No idea why.

They keep implying that a long time is passing while we are away.

We will probably go back to an Azeroth with 10 years of change.

And maybe they thought the same with them also?

Maybe you misunderstood, or more likely I wasnt clear enough. This expansion feels like an independent one. There is a Trilogy of books by Joe Abercrombie called The First Law Trilogy. Its a great series if you like swords and savagery. There are several stand alone novels from this trilogy. They are all fantastic and worth the read. However they are disconnected tales from the main story.

I am not saying Shadowlands is a bad story. Or a Short Story. Or that I dislike the story. I am saying that it just feels disconnected. And the disconnection of all the zones in shadowlands makes it feel even more so.

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Me. I’m saying it.

I agree it’s on rails. I think they’ve painted us into a corner with the stories. We are there to save all of existence (or something like that).

Covenant zones are nice looking but they also compartmentalize players so they can’t be the hangout spot. Oribos is just an airport. The Maw actively tries to force you out.

Yeah it’s weird but it seems like all the zones try to discourage loitering.

I feel like I’m perpetually on the clock. I don’t like that.

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I’ve taken to calling the place Hartsfield-Oribos myself. Because, as the old saying goes, “When going to heaven or hell, you still have to change planes in Atlanta.”

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I shouldn’t be laughing so hard… I’ve flown my share of Delta… and I live near one of the other major airports known for that: Denver

I’m glad I at least made somebody laugh today, then.

Felt removed in WoD too. Stormshield still looked like WoW though.

To be fair it puts new context to “The Devil Went Down to Georgia” (on a layover).

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Because at least the characters from those places were from WoW, in their natural environments. They had reasons for being there.

Shadowlands is literally running on the fumes of nostalgia of a better time.

‘Member UTHER? ‘Member ARTHAS? AND KAEL’THAS? AND DRAKA AND VASHJ AND YSERA AND AND AND…

Literally feels like another universe with just WoW characters forced in so they can say it’s still “Warcraft”, even though it’s only WoW in name at this point.

Even WoD felt it was more anchored to “current” WoW than Shadowlands does.

It was pre-Outland, Draenor. Perhaps that’s why it at least felt a bit better; just a different timeline of an actual place we had been to.

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Yea in Oribos i keep waiting for an announcement " flight path to “crackle noise” now boarding at worm hole 1"

This exactly :100:

I cringe every time I encounter one of these characters.

SL almost feels better when you DON’T encounter them; at least in the sense that you feel like you’re playing a different, non-WoW game.

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At least part of the disconnection people feel is a result of Blizzard utilizing very few Azeroth denizens, which to me seems like a serious and bizarre missed opportunity.

I mean, there’s a giant lore-price to be paid in setting an expansion in a corporeal afterlife at all - it devalues the concept and moral weight of “death.” (Instead of death being an end with a mysterious and unknown future, it’s now a world we know about that we can visit through a portal).

But once you’ve embarked on that course of action and thus paid that price, you should try to get the most out of it by playing deeply on the history of the world. And Blizzard hasn’t done that.

This really is a point that deserves more consideration in these discussions. Blizzard decided that the Shadowlands wasn’t just connected to Azeroth, but to all the universe. The different covenant realms, therefore, just treat Azeroth as one world among many, and not one with a necessarily high presence either.

Imagine instead of Blizzard had styled the Shadowlands as the afterlife realm for Azeroth specifically. If all the denizens of it had a history and connection to Azeroth. For instance, what if Maldraxxus - instead of being an endless war of disconnected combatants, was filled specifically with combatants from old wars on Azeroth. (Not just from the RTS wars, but older ones in lore too).

What if every named Kyrian you met was a hero of Azeroth, some you might have encountered living in WoW, others you’d know from general lore within WoW, but basically you’d be aware of their OWN history when they themselves had been brainwashed to forget it (which would add more drama).

What if most Venthyr you met were reformed villains from Azeroth’s history specifically. Discovering “true names” and their sins would result in link after link to Azeroth. You could get more surprises upon finding out you’ve been unknowingly working alongside some old foe.

Yeah yeah, I know, they have Kael’thas and Uther and Draka show up for Venthyr, Kyrian and Necrolord. But speaking overall, direct connection to Azeroth in these covenant zones is the exception rather than the rule. Azeroth figures are rarities, special cameos, the zones and population as a whole within the zones doesn’t treat their connection to Azeroth as exceptional, just one of many.

And as a result, you don’t feel very connected to Azeroth in this expansion, and the presence of some big figures (like Kael’thas) has the additional effect of highlighting the absence of other big figures you’d think our factions would inquire into (for instance, where is the FATHER of Kael’thas - the “last king” of the high elves?)

If it had been my call, I probably wouldn’t have set an expansion in the afterlife, but if the decision had already been made, I’d definitely have leveraged a lot more Azerothian history in the general populating of the zones.

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This is my biggest gripe. There were 5 anima quests on the map earlier. Each zone had at least one. I spend more time traveling between zones and running to quest areas than actually doing quests. I hate it. We can’t even get a covenant hearth on top of that. We can’t get flying. It’s like they are actively trying to milk every last minute out of us.

The Afterlife is worth the vacation from this.

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…Well isn’t that the idea of Atferlife?.. have it be removed from life where it’s a different place entirely?.. :thinking:

Clark didn’t say or implied anything about people liking them. He just bought up the idea of going to a new and alien (in terms of what OP is talking about) realm isn’t new and asking why it’s different this time around for the OP.

And then asked:

Edit: Point being, if he’s not assigning some valuation, then it’s a pointless, hollow observation, like remarking that the sky is blue.