Gotta take some medication for that god syndrom i believe.
Wrath is a builder…its dmg is tiny. 30% buff to that is worthless.
So that tiny build that the top numbercracking druids say it hardly matters if you cast with or whithout empower is now amazing because of this talent?
Seriously hide that personality dissorder better.
Wrath is a builder, not a good dmg spell. 30% dmg bonus to a small bad builder is not amazing.
If you absolutely want a epeen contest go check Zilvestram-Aggramar eu.
He was using Wrath as a point of comparison, his Wraths in Feral spec do comparable damage to the Wraths from a Druid in Balance spec. If you’re using Heart of the Wild to boost your Balance spells, that means you have Balance Affinity selected. Meaning we’re not just using Wrath, we’re using Starsurge as well. That’s not a builder.
I’m glad people are talking about this again. Incredibly frustrating when a tank dies in mythic+ and you try to brez as Feral, majority of the time mobs just instantly switch to you as melee and die instantly. Even IF we get the cast off we still often die.
Actually I’d say majority of the time when trying to Brez a tank in mythic+ I also die. It’s ridiculously hard even with SI (which is now nerfed lul). BREZ only feels like a utility for us when it’s a DPS that dies and even then the catform unshift is very annoying.
Just another thing on the long list of why Balance is better.
Well, then it’s a good thing that balance affinity also grants access to sunfire, starfire, and STARSURGE!
There is absolutely no way they are going to make going into moonkin form and doing a basic, watered down, non-eclipse boomy rotation for FOURTY-FIVE seconds do more DPS than Feral form.
That is just awful gameplay. Heart of the wild + balance/feral affinity is going to be for Resto or Guardian druids to do more DPS for moments/phases where there’s less damage or nothing to tank.
E.g. last boss burn of mecha junkyard for Guardian, they might choose Balance over Feral affinity because they’d want Typhoon not Maim (lol) for the rest of the dungeon.
It’s naive to think that the talent, which is on a utility row by the way, would do more DPS than catform, nor the fact that spamming a couple of buttons for 45 whole seconds would be intended to do more DPS.
Keep in mind the old HOTW was an end row talent and obviously they nerfed us going into balance form for a reason, they won’t make the same mistake again.
Wouldn’t be so sure about that. Affinities already tend to have more raw throughput than their full-spec equivalents, especially at the beginning of expansions when gear is weak.
I agree that Affinities being a better DPS cooldown than actual DPS cooldowns feels stupid.
Also agree that it’s stupid that a throughput talent is sharing a row with non-throughput talents.
The old HoTW also carried with it a passive stat buff just for selecting the talent, which made it decently competitive vs the other options without even needing to use the cooldown.
Why not?
They did it before.
This isnt a new talent.
It’s naive to think that the talent, which is on a utility row by the way , would do more DPS than catform, nor the fact that spamming a couple of buttons for 45 whole seconds would be intended to do more DPS.
I guess I was super naive in Mists of pandaria when did EXACTLY this.
(I literally spammed wrath for 45 seconds and topped the meters)
U mad?
Are you at all familiar with Blizzard?
Buckle up, buckaroo!
We haven’t been brought for that niche since TBC (Gruul is the last fight I remember). Even then, it only worked due to Feral/Guardian being a single spec, since you had to be in bear form the entire time.
Regardless, raid encounters aren’t designed that way anymore. You could maybe cheese some mechanic with it, at best.
lol im sorry… what?
Conclave of wind
warlord Zon’ozz
Spine of deathwing
shannoxx
halfus
chogall
I dont think its coincidence that they are giving ferals ability to offtank back without adding content to reflect it. Would be pretty boring, imo.
Cataclysm fights aren’t exactly recent.
You dont always have to speak when you’re unfamiliar with a topic…
Thats an option, you know that, right?
Practice what you preach friend.
I see you are talking about raiding…when you havent done any real raids yet. Your arroganse and ignorance is overwhelming.
I stand by my “roleplaying talent” quote when it comes to HOTW.
Cata was the last time feral could effectively off tank.
have you caught up yet?
Did you forget that m+ was a thing too?
I’ll wait until the eggheads sim the thing or get the chance to stress test it in a real environment before I dismiss it that easily. I think it’s too early to dismiss it out of hand.
Who cares about Cataclysm? It isn’t 2011.
Agreed, but it’s basically going to be instant-pick as long as it remains on the same row. Unless it’s tuned to be utter garbage.
Dude. I get it.
You got caught with your pants down pretty hard today, and now Youre mad about it, but these personal attacks are derailing the thread. This thread isabout ferals in shadowlands , not just raiding.
@ brun, i see you’re still quite bitter also…
Im discussing Hotw with guardian affinity’s practical usage and how that reflects old feral playstyle. Cata was the last time feral and guardian shared a tree, and it related to the conversation.
Projection detected.
Retreat!
On this at least, we agree. Let’s just be clear about the context of a particular discussion then. 
We will know soon enough whether it’s a throughput talent, but if this slips through as a powerful CD then I expect it to get nerfed. That said the talent is way better that its counterparts for say a Resto druid, I’d expect hotw+feral or balance affinity used by every resto in raids and mythic+. Their catform DPS is already solid and lust+hotw+feral/bal affinity will be insane.
It also concerns me that, as Feral I’ll need to run balance affinity anyway for the DPS and mechanic-avoiding benefits of the extra range (that is not meant to speak negatively of the range, it feels good). But a balance druid on the other hand who has more choice can happily take Resto affinity and then become a very effective wipe saver in difficult raid phases or moments in mythic+ when things go south.
If you read my entire post, you would see that I explained why. You would also know that I know it isn’t a new talent, so I’m not sure why you’re telling me that when I discussed it myself in my post.
Oh guess you did read the rest of my post since you’re also quoting the end.
You see we use multiple sentences to make things more easily understood and get multiple points across. So quoting my first sentence, and trying to debate against just my introduction without all the context and argument that follows is very foolish.
My point is, you need to stop quoting things out of or without the rest of the context.
But yes time will tell Tical, but as I said MOP one was not on a utility row, and as you would know, had the stat increase too.
The 5 minute cd dont line up with any current raid phases. Warrior/rogue/pala dps dont have a ranged spec so i dont see there being a raid boss that requires HOTW either.