YOu are the first person who says that 
I think the problem is that a lot of people who like it right now arenāt comprehending that the spec, MINUS azerite traits, is what we are considering. Just like how in Legion Arms was ok, but once it had all the passives from the Artifact it was Much Better.
And then come BfA? They remove all those QoL changes ā¦ and the spec went right back down the hill.
Itās not that voidform exclusively sucks. Itās that it doesnāt have enough to make it compelling or interesting gameplay. Also, they forget that a spec can be functional but not FUN. A spec can compete in various ways, but still be a spec you donāt ENJOY playing.
There are indeed folks who donāt care about anything except ādoes the spec pump out the numbers?ā
For me ā¦ a spec should be both. Fun AND Functional.
Fire mage as example
Is it possible that thereās still time in the Alpha for priest changes to be made they havenāt told us about yet?
I hate playing priest toons in general. Shadow is the worst of the priest specs.
Boomkin, while at times a bit boring, can pump out the damage, is engaging to play, and gives you stuff to do. Building resources has an impact. It gives you access to two spells, depending on your need.
Voidform is simply building up and micro-managing a buff. Not a small buff either. By default Voidform increases ALL damage by 20%
If the whole design around a spec is to work on micro-managing a 20% damage buff ā¦ the spec needs an overhaul. And that is EXACTLY what Shadow is. Itās about micro-managing that 20% damage buff (25% with Talent).
Yeah Devouring Plague, Mind Spike, and Psyfiend
I can only hope. Even if you could do damage in Legion ā¦ it still wasnāt fun. So weāre going on two expansions with a bad mechanic. and they said āweāre not making any big changesā and said it like they were proud of it. So ā¦ will they swallow their pride, or will they leave the spec as is and hope the borrowed systems in SL will make it āokā.
I donāt understand the hate for spriests. Is it just the play style people generally donāt like? I offspec shadow and I mean itās not really much different to other specs with high damage windows. They donāt do poor dps either. Warcraftlogs has Shadow 3rd on overall Nyāalotha performance.
It was good ā¦ before Void Form.
Which is basically building resources fast, just to get into a window where you do 20% more damage. That of course is nothing to sneeze at. 20% is a huge buff.
While in that window you have to burst as much as you can because that window burns out fast. Then it ends and you have to start back from the bottom.
Itās micro-managing a buff to do competent damage.
And if you make mistakes, youāve wasted the window as well as the build up time.
Also, a spec can be functional ā¦ but it can be a spec that you just donāt enjoy. A spec that is frustrating and annoying will kill your fun. Because it wears on you.
Also, there is more than just raiding to think about. There are other areas where it just sucks.
I mean thatās very similar to a few other specs. Arms warriors need to manage their colossus smash / test of might window effectively too. Frost DKs as well to a lesser extent with pillar. Buff management isnāt exactly a new or uncommon play style. Just seems to me only spriests seem to despise it.
Arms can control that. They have control over that window. Frost has control over that window. They are both instant and on demand. CD after use of course.
Shadow has to ramp up just so they can use the window. And its not a flat ālasts 8 secondsā. Itās a funky āwe donāt know exactly how long it lastsā sort of deal.
And the entire spec is all about micro-managing your resource to push yourself back into that window constantly. Oh, and the resource is ONLY used for one purpose! Itās used to get yourself into that window.
Micro-managing a buff is never fun.
Heh. Frost mages havenāt seen any development despite being mechanically broken in the Shadowlands alphaā¦ and all of the mage covenant abilities are lackluster garbage.
I feel for the spriests but they arenāt the only ones being ignored at the moment.
Except just this past week two specs got fairly big overhauls.
Also, i donāt know why people seem to think revealing zones has literally anything to do with classes. What do you want them to do? Send the art/story team over to class design and do an even worse job than the class team?
Have you taken the time to read all the in depth issues that the current Shadow Priest Void Form / Insanity mechanic presents?
It has been talked about all over the forums.
I donāt want to bloat up the topic more then it needs to be but Iāll list some quick points to considerā¦
- Most people that think Void Form / Insanity mechanic is āfineā or āenjoyā it are people that never played Shadow prior to the revamp. Before Legion, the class played MUCH better and was smoother and actually gave you control and player agency allowing you to choose when you want to do x where now, you are forced to do x and if you donāt, you just wasted a lot of time trying to start ramping up as it just came crashing down and you have to start again.
- Numbers aside, it feels like you play 80% of the time at 20% power and only 20% of the time at 80% power. Meaning most of time your playing, you are always subpar as you have very rare moments to actually get up to the 80-100% margin of power that the spec can put out.
- Take away the borrowed powers and you can barely do anything as almost all the power of the spec comes form borrowed powers.
- The changes on SL Alpha thus far have added nothing positive and actually makes the spec play even worse even if you consider just taking away the borrowed powered and no further changes.
Thatās just a short quick list.
There are MANY other issues the spec has.
If your curious, do a bit of searching and youāll find all the issues laid out in great detail.
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No argument there. Itās just annoying people go ābut theyāre fine! look at their numbers!ā and they forget numbers arenāt everything. They also forget there are systems propping the spec up. And without them ā¦ the spec falls apart.
And yes, a number of specs I enjoy are in a bad spot. Thankfully since I play every class I know that at least one of them will be decent come launch.
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#removevoidform from SHADOW priests.
#givevoidform to holy priests!
I hate to be that person, but thatās what is called a double negative. So you are saying they have not received trash.
Just thought Iād point that out to you because that gramamtical blip kicked me out of the post before I even started.