There was some people I knew who meme the sonic movie before the edit
The people who made the movie listened and fixed Sonic
I told them pay their due respects because they fixed what the problem was
They didn’t care, so literally wasted feedback regardless
Same goes for blizzard and I don’t blame them for not taking feedback from ones who judge a book by its cover
It doesn’t matter if it’s part of subjective entertainment or knowledge/education based fields. The way people value someone’s opinion over someone else is still the same.
Nothing anyone said has ever challenged that basic idea.
I like my example better, judging a book by it’s cover or the first few pages and deciding it’s bad when there’s another 500 pages. I know bfa doesn’t have a whole lot of content but that’s the vibe I get from most people, they’re stuck in lfr/norm or heroic and speak as if they’ve done mythic, or can’t even do a full visions clear or a single 15 a week.
Me personally I wouldn’t be playing wow if the only difficulties available were up to heroic in it’s current state, I don’t get any enjoyment what so ever from them. Mythic however I love and is the primary reason I play. So I’m a perfect example.
BfA might be the part they hate. Doesn’t mean they hate WoW in it’s entirety.
This is probably the worst expansion in my opinion and can’t wait for it to be over and have considered it to be 
.
THat doesn’t mean I hate wow and didn’t have the occasional fun in the expansion .
I am surprised Supes post is hidden. I don’t always agree with Supes but Supes is going through his trust Blizz phase.
Personally I will trust Blizz if they give me a reason to trust them!
Shadowlands player agency? Prove it Blizz. 
What’s weird is I can still edit it
I just added “test 1 2 3”
Shadowlands Dev Update/Reveal stream starts in about 7 minutes, get on youtube or twitch now!
Actually…if they messed the chicken wings, the fries its not a good sign.
When a joint messes up the easy low level fast order foods, chances are pretty good they aren’t going to nail the hard stuff.
Also BFA was lots of appetizers. Do this 50 times and see how good it gets. I like me some chicken wings. But…I can’t eat 50 of them to get to dinner.
If that’s not what Clark is saying he shouldn’t have literally said word for word “You have the right to say so,” to somebody who pointed out they did do his entire little checklist of things.
Again: These are Clark’s words I’m using, not something I’ve made up to try to make him look bad.
Plus his OP is talking about not calling BfA as a whole bad unless you’ve done every last bit of content in it. It’s not saying you should probably do mythic N’Zoth before calling mythic N’Zoth bad. It’s saying do an entire list of things before you call BfA bad.
Not to mention that for a video game new/returning player experience is rather important, especially for a game going on 15 years.
People pointing out why they think BfA is bad and why they couldn’t be bothered to even really get into the end game of 8.3 is one kind of feedback that Blizzard should consider pretty valuable if they want those people to actually resub and buy Shadowlands.
No, he’s not saying that at all, you may think that because you have some weird irrelevant presupposition.
He’s saying do ANY of the things in that list and see if you like them, chances are, one of those things will appeal to any player, and maybe that player who previously hates BfA’s guts, will hate it less so.
Me? I HATE leveling up my cloak, I hate Raiding, I hate 5 mask full clear visions (but I like it on some weeks), I also hate grinding Pathfinder.
It so happens Mythic+ is the part of content I like, because it’s repeatable and awards more gear over the course of an expansion than Raiding will ever do. Therefore, I don’t exactly hate BfA at the same degree that the people who don’t meet any of those checkboxes do.
I hate BfA’s endgame content except M+ as a whole though.
Oh, and you claim that Clark is saying that you have to do all of those things in that list but you’re putting words in his mouth yet again. No real quotes, and things you make up.
This is the only quote that is relevant to any idea that he’s encouraging players to do something in that checklist from the original post.
I disagree when the game is already dumbed down enough more than it’s ever been, I agree getting that feedback is nice but unless they put in the smallest amount of effort/time to acquire a basic foundation to progress from I really couldn’t care less if they leave.
Noone has ever held my hand in this game but most of the newer player base expects it, unless I’m getting paid to carry them I’m not going to make their experience any easier than what I had since vanilla. Thottbot/alahkazam/wowhead/youtube/google/icy-veins. If they can’t do the hour or two of research here and there then they aren’t putting in the effort/time to get ahead in wow in general, probably getting stuck pugging and maybe doing heroic. Like I said I ONLY like mythic, I’d rather go to bed than do lfr/norm/heroic content, I actually fall asleep when I do sometimes.
I mean I help out half of my bnet that is in that bracket but that’s more of hanging out with friends and such, not just doing that content to do it.
But I’ve literally seen people on here and ingame tell me that they don’t want to find a guild, but then they don’t want to pug because you can’t get anywhere, well the logical option would be to find a guild. If they made norm/heroic/mythic queue based content they’d boot half of the roster until they filled with decent players or completely alienate the rest of their player base, who wants to carry around sandbags all day every day and be forced to play with them. This is why they don’t get ahead, lack of effort.
It’s like only being able to beat dark souls or red dead redemption on easy, getting mad you can’t do it on normal or hard, complaining to the community and game devs to give you the same achievements/rewards for those that did. Multiplayer and some singleplayer games are going to be inherently competitive, if you’re in the bottom 20-40% struggling you clearly don’t measure up, that’s not the games fault when the other 60-80% is doing the exact same thing but better, it’s the individuals.
Another way to look at it is if you go play escape from tarkov, that game has so much to it and very little guidance and up and quitting because you don’t know the difference between ammunition, scopes, mags and such in the first hour of playing it.
Go watch the Shadowlands stream from Blizz while you can, but I wont blame you if you need 5 minutes, it’s just more of Ion with his dodgy talk again atm
You really must want to be hated,
Question is though, why do you even let it bother you?
Honestly just look away and leave the ranting for others & keep your nose uptight as the proud you are or put your nose in the ranter’s donut hole like a dog
Talking to me? I really couldn’t care less, I would be a lot more toxic if these forums weren’t designed around soft skinned players that couldn’t take it without getting a vacation. Also why does my commenting bother you, why don’t you look away and ignore it if it bothers you.
Generally? Sure. I doubt people are looking to invest 10-30 hours into the character and essentially be done with it, like you would in a single player RPG.
It’s not hypocritical or stupid to dislike being cold, and also object to being set on fire.
Generally, yes. You can generally farm several thousand echoes per week just by doing stuff like Visions, Emissaries, Invasions, etc.
When I did my Expedient grind, I think I averaged about 8k a week, but if I did my “weekly checklist” (Vision, all invasions, all Emissaries, weekly +15, clearing at least Heroic 12/12), I think I’d net about 6800 Echoes, I want to say?
But the problem is, that 6800 is just a drop in the bucket for what you actually need.
If I were to reroll another Warlock, I’d need:
4x Essences, 10k.
5x R3 Expedients, 25k.
2x R2 Expedients, 8250.
1x Gushing Wounds, 4125.
Before we factor in using Echoes to power-level our cloak, we’re already on the hook for about 47k Echoes, or about 7 weeks of grinding at a passive level.
If we wanted to use Echoes purely to level the cloak, that’s 14 Vessels (24500 Echoes) and I want to say…16 Malefic Cores? (32000) to reach the current Resistance cap.
So at the absolute highest end, you’re looking at 104k Echoes to get a character “finished” in the current state of the game, and at roughly 6800 per week through passive income, we’re looking at 15 weeks, or about mid October, before that character is caught up.
Though naturally as you gear a character, you’ll do more than one vision per week (usually can get about 3 and a half keys IIRC) and you’ll get decent pieces of gear that won’t need Corruption added, and naturally obtain Malefic Cores through killing N’zoth and doing Visions and so on.
But the overall grind is still pretty sobering. Especially considering that I can’t just go buy Expedient Corruptions as I get the Echoes, since they’re on a monthly rotation (2 per week, 8 rotations in general), so you essentially have three days a month where you can buy the Corruptions you need. Miss those three days? Too bad, can’t do anything but wait.
No,
To Clark
Because WoW has other content then just BFA and you don’t have to think that WoW is only BFA. I know, shocking. 
Why they have to have either of those things in order to rant about 8.3?
I’m allowed to rant about 8.3 as i desired, doesn’t mean i dislike BFA in entirety for disliking 8.3.
And if i dislike BFA, oh well, i have 7 other expansions to go over, doesn’t mean i have to leave the game if i dislike the current expansion.
How’s Mythic+ and Raiding simple?
Simple for you, but not to everybody like your thinking here.
Saying it’s an MMO doesn’t shield itself from criticism. Nothing is above criticism.
I personally think BFA is just okay, but i hardly do 8.3 stuff.
BFA blows, but my guild is pretty awesome so I’m just raid logging to keep a spot in SL.
Considering his list consists of things like “attempt a full clear of visions with 0 masks” you’ll forgive me if I don’t actually believe he’d suddenly start respecting my opinion if I said I did that.
but hey if that’s all somebody needs: I’ve attempted that, and the expansion is still bad.
The problem is a lot of people incorrectly associate not doing the content with an inability to clear the content or that the game isn’t holding your hand enough.
As a returning player the problem is the experience is terrible if you actually want to be able to play with other people outside of anything but the brain dead difficulties.
Though I can’t talk about the time gated grind without people going “Oh so that means you want to be given full mythic Ny’Alotha gear upon logging in?” even though that is very obviously not what I’m saying.
People say “join a guild” but what guild is going to take a Rogue that does pathetic DPS because I don’t have the essences, maxed cloak. or corruptions that everybody else does?
This is a process that would take me so long to catch up on right now, that Shadowlands will be just around the corner by the time I get up to even an acceptable level of DPS.
and the fact that some people post stupid things isn’t much of an argument that we should discredit everybody who is a new/returning player. That’s more an argument that we should discredit people who can’t come up with decent arguments.