You can refer to my post to this thread
MW does feel great in some aspects of the game, but this thread is specifically addressing the situation in raids.
Hopefully you didn’t have raids in mind when saying this because it would be completely wrong!
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I wonder if the playstyle would work if RSK was switched to cd reduction from BoK like windwalker has. RSK resets do seem to run into the ‘feast or famine’ problem in my experience.
EDIT: An interesting idea would be to have a 1.5m cd that put out 4 or 5 half duration ReM, could allow upwelling and rising mist to create small burst windows on demand.
It may not be 50%, but the first monk on Shad’har post nerf, is 160k compared to the 200K+ of the first of every other spec.
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At its core MW are nothing more than Essence Font cannons in raids. In raids we have no utility to speak of. The last 2 expac has made it obvious that MW needs a core rework to be competitive at a progression level.
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I SOLVED OUR PROBLEMS!!! Okay, so, I solved the monk healing problems. My people, we are saved!
I switched to disc priest.
Maybe next expac monks will be great again? However, I still use my monk to do m+.
I just wanted to check for FUN! The first healing monk to show up on Mythic Maut is 818th place. LOL
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So you’ll be on the priest forums now? Good
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Your mad that I’m pointing out how monks are 20+% or lower healing than other classes?
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I’m mad that you for some reason thought that thing you posted was funny, it was just douchey.
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The funny part is our healing! 
You don’t think its funny to heal 20% less and without any decent raid utility? Guess someone should make a post informing people about how low MW healing currently is.
You are 5/12 M it’s sad you care so much about that, I just recently killed mythic nzoth and my healing was good, it’s about how you play the class. My cds did end up helping us secure the kill. But that’s the difference between the two of us I suppose. Enjoy disc priest.
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Lol it is how you play, I’m not saying the state of MW is great however it is well enough to do all mythic lvl content, you killed it in March as an hpal congrats. It doesn’t take away from the fact that MWs also can kill nzoth and do the healing necessary to kill the boss.
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You are playing MMO not single player console game. Everything you do is going to be competitive and compared with others .
Are you willing to go to a raid consists of mainly Feral druid, Wind walker Monk, Enhancement shaman? I am pretty sure you won’t.
I bet your raid has multiple fire mages destruction warlocks or BM hunters.
If your raid had choice between you and similar skilled Holy Paladin I am pretty sure they have chosen Holy Paladin Because of higher total&burst heal + damage reduction + immunity.
I am not saying MW is unplayable. I am saying MW at least need to bring something to table. If we don’t have raid wide damage reduction or immunity we should at least be strong in healing. But we are not. Yes mystic lvl content is duable with weakest classes but it’s because there are stronger classes covering our asses.
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I’ve gotten across seven different tier as CE and this current tier the hpal In my guild beat me by about 2 mil healing. I’ve never had an issue keeping up and I’ve never felt like a carry. Espiecally on end tier mythic bosses like nzoth that require each healer to do 100k hps each. But again it’s your opinion, my expierience has differed and I disagree whole heartedly with some person saying the fix to MW is to change to disc priest.
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Meters can be very misleading because most people only see total healing. If you see only total healing Mist weaver might not look bad because we are not far behind. But if you look in to more details lot of our healing comes from less dangerous phases where healing doesn’t really matter. lot of our heal is smart heal meaning it’s much easier to take heal pie when there aren’t dangerous incoming dmg.
But in actual game play burst healing and damage reduction is what saves lives. And we have weakest burst healing and no damage reduction. You might think revival is one of strongest burst healing but if you look at actual chart in wcl that is far from truth. Any other class do much better job at this and I think that is problem.
Yes you have done your job as healer in mystic raid. I am not denying that. I am just stating the truth that if you have played other healing class your guild more likely saved tries and time. If your guild is ok with that there is no problem whatsoever. But in reality lot of people are not ok with it. That is why we have 70,000 holy paladin parses compared to 24,000 mist weaver parses in mystic nzoth.
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I’d just like to say, I never said MW monks couldn’t kill Mythic N’zoth. This whole post is detailing how MW monks are behind in raw healing, raid utility, critical healing moments, and I’m sure there is other things. The fact that your getting this mad over my post tells me you know this is a problem. I’m glad your 12/12M, and my guild is definitely going to be there at some point.
The point I’m illustrating in this thread is that blizzard needs to do something for SL. There is no reason monks should be behind other healers by over 20% in raw healing. That is pathetic and shameful for blizzard to do. If you watched any SL videos regarding MW monks for shadow lands you will notice we are not getting any changes that are needed.
As for me switching to a disc priest, I’m doing this for the guild. Currently, our mythic raid team consists of holy priests / resto druid / r shaman and a mediocre monk. We have no great %reducing damage CD’s. I don’t want to switch to a priest but I’m going to do it because I want that raid utility and better throughput healing.
This thread only gives proof that monks are behind in the healing game in every such way except m+. I’m super exciting monks are good in m+ but it doesn’t do much for me because I only do M18 and lower. I have no interest in going much higher.
Now offer something constructive to the thread that lets blizzard know this is unacceptable. The facts are there.
Have a super awesome day!
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Oh yeah, MW in mythic raiding is abysmal, its bad enough we’re just there for HPS ( which we’re terrible at atm ), but we also have no utility.
Shaman, use rez totem here and speed totem here. Oh and self-rez to the rescue.
Paladin, thanks for the 5m dmg reduction group wide over the whole fight with devo aura and that mechanic you soaked alone with Bubble. Best healer dps to boot.
Priest, thanks for the dmg reduction and literally a cheat death, great ranged dps and mana return group wide. Oh and for pulling the tank out of the puddle with leap of faith, very useful!
Druid, thanks for the damage reduction on tank with ironbark, very short cd, very reliable. The battle rez is very useful too.
… and then there’s the Monk, thanks for nothing, we already have a Brewmaster for the debuff, why are you here again? Just to press revival to remove non-existent magic debuffs in Ny’alotha? Remember when Revival wiped groups on Eternal Palace Queen Azshara?
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To be fair, I still use my revival to wipe my own raid’s melee on carapace trash. Funny as sh**. That’s what they get for standing in stuff and expecting me to heal it!
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An apt comparison is like bringing a ret paladin to a MC run over a warrior; you know he’ll do less damage, you know every upgrade will have to go to the other warriors as gear won’t improve his dps much. He’s just there because he might know mechanics, but he’s holding the group down with his bad class/spec choice.
Reroll to a disc priest is solid advice, atleast his guild leader might have more things to say about the player besides he’s good at mechanics; like wow he can do group DR now and does ranged dmg on top of his better healing, great improvement!
Imagine complaining about MW in 2020 and your defense is rsham is better
Wait what? My defense is Rshaman is better? I think it was that all the healers are better in utility and healing. Better in healing by at least 20%. The numbers are there as proof.
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