You realize these people who refuse to come forward when others have make it harder for the first to be believed.
They are part of the problem. If one person says ‘x’ happen it is easier to dismiss them than if 5 people say ‘x’ happened.
Someone up top accused you of victim blaming. I see you are still at it.
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Every time .
You just said that everyone in that class who is coming forward now is lying and only in it for the money, when the clear evidence is that all these things were routine workplace happenings.
It sounds like you’re quite the verbal tire slasher yourself if you feel the need to twist a discussion about women who were workplace victims of sexual harassment and abuse into “tire slashers”. Wave that victim card harder.
I stand with the people who have the courage to come forward and fight for justice not the cowards who hide and then want to leech off the first ‘victims’.
I really don’t understand how so many people can’t see the how this last groups harms the first group who had the courage to come forward.
Why do you think it’s reasonable to demand that other people risk their jobs and safety by coming out publicly as victims of sexual abuse in the workplace?
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If they don’t think it is reasonable then don’t do it but also don’t take money away from those that did take that risk and did fight for it later when they win.
They lost money due to Blizzard standard workplace practices. They were hired at lower paid positions with less responsibility and got fewer promotions than others with less seniority and skills.
Insisting that victims come out publicly or get no consideration… I’m just not understanding why people who lost money because of this shouldn’t be considered as victims because they weren’t willing to out themselves publicly as victims of sexual violence and employment retribution.
I would imagine (from personal experience) that people (mostly women I would assume) left the company after seeing the sexism, “good old boy club” setting. Perhaps after finding out they weren’t being taken serious, or being hit on and then shunned if they turned them down… This is not exclusive of Blizzard. This has existed in business for a LONG time. But computer related businesses have been male dominated a long time.
So imagine for a moment, you are one of the people who left after all this. You moved on with your life, sad and battle scarred and a little wiser of it all.
Then you see the class action suit (I know it isn’t called that but that’s what it is basically), Why the hell WOULDN"T you come forward and get a peice of that.
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It is easy to come on a forum and say things like they should have spoken up, or why didn’t they speak up sooner, or why didn’t they leave the job? The truth is several did go to HR and try to speak up & were retaliated against by being transferred, demoted, or fired.
I don’t know about you but I need my job to pay my bills and take care of my family. I can’t even image being pregnant and being discriminated against & not caring about loosing my job and probably my medical coverage! These women were in a tough and horrible situation, and regardless of when they spoke up it doesn’t negate the fact they were wronged.
There is no benefit to any woman coming forward to claim they were harassed when they were not, because they are not believed and on top of that shamed for speaking up. At the very least we should have empathy for those who for their reasons found themselves having to endure this horrible behavior. I can’t imagine anyone would willingly put themselves through this type of environment without having a financial need or circumstance. Not everyone can walk away from a job at any time - most families live paycheck to paycheck.
These women who were victimized and not protected by management or HR whether they spoke up then, now, tomorrow, next year have every right to speak up at their own time when they feel brave enough or ready enough to do so and seek any relief allowed by law.
No one spoke up for them then, no one supported their voices or complaints. Now we the player base know about it and can show them our support through empathy, compassion, and demanding accountability from Blizzard. Blizzard needs to right this wrong responsibly and ethically. $18 million for blizzard is a drop in the bucket.
In 2021, the net revenues of Blizzard Entertainment amounted to 1.83 billion U.S. dollars .
These are mother’s, sisters, and wives -family who were treated in this despicable manner. They are human beings.
Reading not your strong suit? I thought druids like intellect.
Read the above, I said the late comers are likely going to be opportunists, not the initial wave of people. That skepticism is not unwarranted because it happens every single time something like this happens. The second money is proven to be on the table, you have a lot of people looking for a pay out. Especially in a case where it’s very provable because few are going to question the veracity of the claims.
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women are shamed by the harassment many times. The worse it is, the worse the embarassment. Of course they dont talk.
I hate that #metoo crap, but sexual harassment is hardly a new concept.
Whats really strange is its 2022 and ‘men’ cant act like MEN yet in the work place…clearly.
Meh who cares. Bunch of people tryna win the lawsuit lotto.
Its nothing new
Really poor situation, Blizzard agrees to a settlement so people think they automatically have proof of allegations for themselves.
If I was the people who stepped forward initially and got this intial settlement I’d be extremely annoyed at those coming out for the cash grab.
If they had a valid concern or grievance it they should have also stood up and supported the initial accusations, not waited until they had a verdict and then said “well actually I feel aggrieved myself”.
It’s like waiting for 1 minute to the buzzer when a team is 50 points up and going “I’m a Patriot fan now, always have been, you can’t prove otherwise”
Yes, sexual harassment and sexual assault are just like sports…
Every day the gaming community, especially this one, manages to show the worst in some people.
All the victim blaming and shaming on these forums is disgusting.
You all probably think if you were ever a victim you’d go all John Mcclane on the aggressor when in reality almost everyone freezes up.
Context is relevant, no one related anything tp sexual harassment, only you did.
You’re not clever trying to conuure up some SJW nonsense that isn’t there.
We are talking about one simple thing, people not participating in a class action against a corporation and then trying to jump on the team after they have a win claiming they were part of the team the entire time.
If anything any new accusations shows more poorly on those people, as they were willing to risk the success and credibility of all those who actually stepped forward. Their cases could have been the final evidence needed to get their conviction and they chose to stay anonymous to protect themselves.
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and if it all went wrong and they lost their livelihood as a result?
Were you going to start paying the bills for them?
Their could be many reasons they didn’t come forward earlier.
Fear of retaliation, blacklisted in their field of work, loss of income, fear for their safety, lack of faith in the courts, etc…
Now they are coming forward when things are safer for them, not to spite the women who came before them but because of the groundwork those women laid for them.
This isn’t some SJW nonsense, this is real life for these women. You’re saying because they didn’t step up right away they are somehow less worthy of being heard. For all we know these women could have filed complaints with supervisors, managers and HR that were swept under the rug in the past since that seemed to be an on-going trend.
Instead of going on some self-righteous crusade try having empathy for people.
They aren’t just passing out blank checks to anyone who shows up.
So you’re saying they were willing to accept sexual harassment as long as they could keep their jobs? And now their jobs aren’t at risk they have nothing to lose so why not?
All I’m saying is they did wrong by those who did take that risk, they knew what was going on, they knew the action against it and instead chose to stay silent. By their actions or lack there of they put all those who did step forward at greater exposure due to their lack of support.
They were willing to sacrifice all those who stepped forward’s reputation and careers for their little bit of comfort and security.
I do have empathy, just for those made more vulnerable. Those who chose to stand aside chose their side, they made the decision that it wasn’t worth the risk or the cost to them, they should continue to stand by that decision. Not just morally flip because it is now convenient to them.
I know you probably won’t agree, and that’s fine.
I don’t think it is a morally black and white situation. But that is my stance, and perhaps it is unjust to some, but without those additional facts I cannot base an opinion around them.
I appreciate your opinion, and it definitely is a highly valid one, I will openly admit. Even if my post doesn’t seem that way.
I think we both believe in a similar thing ultimately, but simply sit somewhere a little differently on the scale.
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Yeah this seems oppertunistic. Why were they silent til after money was delt out? Seems disengenious idk…
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Me too me too me too me too me too!!!
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