Seeing all the text for class changes in the anniversary post and then scrolling to the priest section... :*)

Classes Priest
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This absolute garbage. Have you TRIED to heal high keys as a H Priest? We have no AoE spells. If your DPS do not absolutely play perfectly with defensives and positioning you’re not Flash Healing your way outta that one quick enough to save them. I’ve done boss fights with near PERFECT Lightweaving for Max HPS and it doesn’t matter. We bring no utility. We can’t dispel 90% of debuffs. AND WE DON’T HAVE THE HEALING UTILITY TO HEAL THROUGH IT. We absolutely crutch on every other class in the game to function.

We can’t even MOVE on our own in Raid.

PrIeStS ArE iN A GoOd SpOt. Oh ok. As long as the Evoker is my wheelchair I guess.

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You have AOE healing spells, you choose not to use them. Been doing +8s and even a failed +9 today, and I see no issue so far.

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Watch out everyone. Mr. I don’t raid and I’m weeks behind on keys and “I know better than ppl who get paid to play this game” is gonna show us all how to do it.

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He’s the guy who’s raving about how good 700k per cast of PoH is, when FH alone is doing that healing per cast without counting Echo of Light, Binding Heal and Trail of Light.

He’s also sacrificing the right-top side dps talents so as a result he averages 100k-200k dps lower than every other holy priest at the same key level.

“But PoH contributes a grand total of 5% of my total healing”

:roll_eyes:

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It’s not garbage. Holy Priest is the best spot healer for Mythic Raiding this tier and thus in demand. Do I think you could tone down the spot healing for more AOE? Perhaps but it would be a trade off.

If your running M+ (and want to heal) I would recommend playing Disc Priest since it is the stronger M+ healer. Plenty of Holy Priests are doing 10/11 keys just fine. My statement was correct. Priest is gifted in that it has 2 healing specs and they will always vary on which is stronger/weaker at any given tier/content. At the moment it’s Holy Priest for raiding and Disc Priest for M+.

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…So you admit it then? We’re admitting H Priest is struggling in M+ and is NOT fine?

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Funniest insult I’ve ever read on these forums. Interesting that he’s only done 2 post nerf 8s and never stepped foot in raid but believes not having an interrupt is perfectly reasonable in the most utility demanding expansion so far.

Think it’s hard for people to grasp how much more pronounced these little flaws become as you get deeper into the endgame.

I believe every priest main had the same reaction as OP at the patch notes.

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I’m just used to people always wanting what they don’t have, and not appreciating what they do. We’re a good class, people just want to be the best for bleeding edge progression everywhere. We’re not, and that’s fine.

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Except we aren’t even a good class. Just about anything we can do in any spec, another class/spec can do better, and with more utility.

It’s not about being “the best for bleeding edge progression” we do not have the tools every single other class in the game has. We are a class designed without any real mob control, no interrupt, no movement or displacement abilities, no snap AoE damage. We live or die by our numbers tuning. That’s not acceptable in today’s game.

It is explicitly not fine to leave our class in this state. “Appreciate what they have” what a joke of a statement, we shouldn’t appreciate being designed to a standard from a decade ago, that’s completely ridiculous to even suggest.

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I do agree with this assessment, but not the logic of it because we have mage, paladin, death knight, and warlock all standing in direct contrast to priest. All of them received far more extensive changes in 10.1.5 or in 10.2 than priest did across all of Dragonflight and all got an equal, or even greater, number of changes in 11.0 and again in 11.0.5.

This isn’t a matter of wanting what we don’t have and not appreciating what we do. Priest has literally nothing of unique value except for PI and fort and everything else it does is done better by any other class that does it. We can also do less than any other healer class and the things we do are not strong enough to justify doing less and the unique lack of basic tools like displacement, CC, and a kick.

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Honestly, right now I just want a way to get out of roots. My guild just started heroic queen and this feels worse that Tindral. I want to switch to my evoker healer just for this fight so I don’t have to deal with it.

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Last comment in this thread since people fail or purposely ignore the benefits priests bring. Holy Priest is perfectly capable of healing 10/11 keys in M+ where benefits cap out at 10. Holy Priest is one of the best raid healers this tier. You seem to want Holy Priest to be both a great/META raid healer and great/META M+ healer.

Disc Priest is slightly stronger for M+ content and pushing high keys (12+). The inverse of this is that Disc is currently slightly weaker for raid healing when compared to Holy Priest.

Unless you are pushing extremely high content it does not matter. Anyone can get weekly 10 keys done and clear heroic raid/kill first 4 mythic bosses as any priest spec.

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I don’t think people are asking for it to be meta. It should just fit the description.

A versatile healer who can reverse damage on individuals or groups and even heal from beyond the grave

(emphasis mine)

Playing whack-a-mole in raids and M+ is certainly not my idea of versatility. Guess to each their own, but I would think of something that has multiple tools in its kit (which we_do_ have) that are all useful in various situations. Except our primary AoE healing tools (Prayer of Healing, Circle of Healing, Holy Word: Sanctify) are Fisher Price versions and so our only option is to use a mallet, and, for Archon, I guess, to rely on a 1 minute cooldown (Oracle has a convoluted redistribution mechanism requiring multiple CDs on a ~ 2 minute CD that isn’t reliable).

So… yeah, it’s capable of healing 10s and 11s… and there’re a few individuals even further beyond that, but even with the lower keys and trying to help other individuals… it feels kind of push up one health bar at a time—oop, gotta move, hope I have enough emergency CDs to stabilize people until I can stop moving—oh crap, out of instants, and … dead.

And it’s not just M+ with this… it’s raid now. Why are we Lightweaving in raid? (It’s a rhetorical question, PoH/CoH/HW:Sanct are all horrendously undertuned) Using Holy Word: Sanctify purely to boost the healing on Heal feels criminal, it should be moving bars on its own.

We shouldn’t be the best at everything, but we should be capable of everything. Versatile. I wouldn’t mind if there are talents to improve on one specific aspect of healing if people want to play whack-a-mole, but a while back there was a decision that no one healer is a “tank healer.” Even if it requires some set-up, I want to respond to AoE damage with AoE healing spells… not… Flash Heal → Heal → … .

Chakras, Divine Word… these are things I think are themed around versatility. Maybe not being able to immediately respond to all forms of damage, but we’re reactive healers, we’re the one healer that gets nothing for free (no damage while healing, no healing while damaging). We should be able to handle AoE damage, and we’re uniquely the one healer that reliably can’t.

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You’re confusing people complaining about class design with people complaining about class viability.

Priest does some things fine. It doesn’t do anything “the best”, or at least not by a margin large enough for it to matter, but that’s okay.

The problem is that there’s no reason priest should be the only healer to have only one dispel school, the only healer to have no kick, the only healer to have no hard CC, the only healer incapable of breaking a root, the only healer with no displacement, etc. And we know that priest could have all of those things without it breaking the game because every other healer has all of those things and several of them do all the things priest does.

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Doesn’t phantasm removes root? I might be wrong but it’s supposed to remove all kind of snare effects, not sure about roots.

I appreciate what we do, and I know priest is capable of pushing high content. I myself am already trying to push 12s.
But I can guarantee that priest does need updates and changes. We lack identity and uniqueness, something that makes hpriest different from the rest.

right now, that is not happening and hurts a lot.

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Sure, but priest was performing well in DF even up to the end. In TWW, Disc is still very strong in M+, Holy’s very strong in raid, Shadow’s kinda left behind here.

I think when you’re going into an expansion, you’re going to hit on the classes that are currently having problems. The only class there that I’d say wasn’t in a somewhat sketchy spot was Mage (Also I don’t think Warlock really got that much in DF, tbh).

You could say Prot Paladin was doing OK, but ret really wasn’t, and holy blasted off into the sun and immediately died on impact with those nerfs.

I’m just really expecting that we won’t really see anything for a while in TWW. Especially with the healers doing fairly well in the content.

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It does not. :frowning: And it doesn’t remove certain kinds of slowing effects… and it doesn’t prevent their immediate reapplication.

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ok, i will bite. I have always stayed fairly neutral to these posts, because it really could always changed week after week.

But i simply cannot believe, that multiple classes are getting rework after rework after rework and the basic core of priests have been unchanged for almost 4 years.

Hell, paladin has changed what…3-4 times since beginning of DF? Shaman? 2-3 times since DF? and many many more are getting the same overhaul/change treatment, that priest has been sorely hoping for, for a long time.

I love my priest, i have been so dedicated for so long that sometimes i choose to ignore facts and reason, because i have put blood, sweat and tears into this class.

But i am very sad at where it is currently. Sure it “works”. but that doesn’t mean it can’t get help.

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I want things we don’t have because they’re fuggin baseline for other healers.
I want an actual rework because this class as a whole (Holy and Shadow more specifically) are built on a foundation from years ago, and are so out of date their spells and Talents actively fight against themselves.

Should I appreciate being the only healer without an interrupt?
Or being the class that can dispel the least amount of debuffs?
Should I appreciate that we have the most 2-point talents out of any class in the game by a longshot?
Or being the class that Blizzard continues to kick, taking away our spells and giving them to other classes?

Name one thing we have that I should appreciate. I insist.

Take as much time as you’d like.

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I stopped playing several weeks ago. Unfortunately I was dumb enough to get the 6 month sub for the goodies so they have my money through early February.

All they need to do is communicate.