Kinda my point, not that pala is pointless in vanilla, just that the warriors and bears are easier to play in raid most of the time.
And while things aren’t 100% as its said to be, players meme the meta meme.
And while he was obsessing over wrath’s “superiority” I pointed out that the meta of wrath is ironically more strict than Vanilla (era).
Som1 wasn’t popular, because it sucked.
Nobody took it serious with the removal of world buffs and the “new content” was a joke.
Overwhelming consensus is fresh era realms… you want changes? stick to your garbage retail game.
I’d like to see a group finder, some type of rated PVP and some balance changes.
SOM2 when, fresh when
World buffs are lame, and they didn’t do enough changes to entice people to try it.
Why would i play SoM2v if it’s no changes again with the same classes being the top and the same being at the bottom. Especially when small stuff like changing CP can help feral
And you have a source/evidence for this?
SoM coming out and multiple of those post asking for more significant changes.
Source: opening your eyes
The content being harder, no world buffs and iron buff just pushed more people to min max. People just dungeon cleaving to max level.
Why do you even bother posting?
No this isn’t evidence dude. You can’t take a random persons post as law
I saw a mega thread of people saying they weren’t playing without world buffs. I only saw 1 or 2 posts complaining about lack of changes
You have no basis at all for your claim and is purely presupposition.
I could say “tbc was out is the reason ppl didn’t play” and I could be correct cause there’s evidence for that.
The raid comp for all the wf kills were min max
6 Hunters, 7 Mages, 2 Warlocks, 4 Rogues and 8 Warriors, along with the 2 Warr tanks as well as 1 Druid, 4 Paladin and 6 Priest healers,
Was for Rag, SoM2 with no changes is dead on arrival. We’ve already had the same start 4 times already give us something new( vanilla, classic, som, and hc)
Who cares what the raid comp was dude? What does that have to do with your claim no one played som because “not enough changes”? You just made that up. YOU thought there wasn’t enough changes and assumed everyone else thinks like you do.
They could relaunch Lassic 2019 and it’ll still be wildly successful, for the mere fact that there hasn’t been a good fresh SINCE classics actual launch. This one is gonna be a behemoth regardless of what changes they do because wrath is almost over.
People have been playing the same vanilla for over 10 years dude. Changes aren’t the reason people do or do not play it.
I’d argue bad changes put people offf of it. But there is no common concensus what “good changes” are.
I didn’t like the changes at all, and left for another hobby. Dragon boy is projecting, nothing to get concerned about.
It’s always the rainbow dragons
And sometimes the chihuahuas as well. 
I don’t think balance should be the goal for SoM (or Classic+), just to slightly improve things so that classes that are less desirable now become more desirable. Even if the overall class ranking doesn’t change (and I don’t think it should), I just think they should be brought a little closer together.
So stuff like this…
… is what a lot of people would be looking for. I’d go so far as to include prot pally in that as well, along with giving them a taunt. I’m not actually sure if ferals need anything, when played well they do all right I’m given to understand. Though maybe very small buffs for them too.
Beyond that, keep the vanilla class balance intact!
I will say this though, the Pally/Shaman thing is an interesting one. I strongly feel the vanilla feel needs to be preserved, so minimal changes. However, there’s a bit of a conundrum there. People tend to strongly favour Alliance in PvE because of Paladins, especially due to Blessing of Salvation. However, making both classes available to both factions tends to cause people to just shift to Horde for the better racials. This might be one of those things that are better left alone, or perhaps just a buff to the shaman threat redurcing totem to make it more compelling?
No point in arguing with the clueless, I’ll just bookmark this post and come back when som2 gets announced with significant changes to prove my point
Claiming no changes when even HC has changes like the dungeon lock out that people agree was great
Crazy thing is if you didn’t like the changes you could have just played era.
I think it is inevitable that at some point, they will try to do that.
But what those meme specs need is not damage equal or right under pures. All they need is their existing talents and synergies built upon.
For example, enhance shamans windfury procs can proc a party-wide haste buff. BAM enhance shamans INSTANTLY required in raid, for the main rank group at the bare minimum.
Something similar to ret as well. I don’t know ret as well though. Blend those 2 specs to also make use of spell power and intellect so they’re actual hybrid spell damage melee classes who actually buff their group. Make flametongue and frost brand spell damage scaling 100-200% higher and return mana back and when you crit those imbues, your party gains their respective flame or frost damage on their attacks (stacking with WF)
Elemental/moonkin crits can return mana back and buff boomkin to 5% crit aura for mobile songflower etc
We know they’re gonna make changes to som2.
Nobody is arguing that. The new fresh will be enormous wether they make changes or not. That is something that is inevitable due to its timing. What you fail to accept is changes are not the end all be all of this game
I don’t even know why I am arguing with someone so clueless/out of touch anyways. You are basing WF kills roster as a rule of law for soms poor performance. There wasn’t even a lot of warriors in that roster… lol
I’m not saying nochanges is the only way.
The problem is you rainbow dragons come here demanding changes and couldn’t even tell us how you would deliver your changes
Saying “balance classes” and not even knowing how you want that done is dumb. You just want to see your feral Druid dps look like rogues
I disagree with meme specs doing pure dps class dmg. It’s more fun to have their synergies and talents improved further. My suggestion above would make raids instantly require those classes
That’s irrelevant, I’m pointing out that your statement is how you felt about it.
Not all of us agree with that.