face it bro, SoD is for the retail players taking a vacation from their awful expac 
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I wouldnât expect to see it happen. There may be other things thrown in there and I highly hope they keep some raids 40man only. Naxx in wrath already feels empty with 25 people in it some rooms.
I way prefer 10man raiding personally but I would still like to re-experience a 40man or two before the end of SoD.
I donât subscribe to the âus versus themâ mentality that some classic players push.
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Need more stable slots for hunters
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20 man raids are in wrath, soon to be cata AND retail.
You got two whole clients to choose from, why are we turning vanilla oriented content into the complete opposite?
Isnât the entire point of sod is to improve upon vanilla, not replace it with the same thing that people are NOT playing anymore?
Why are we going through the exact same path again after 20 years?
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20 man MC
nuff said
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20 man is a cool idea. I do love 40 mans but I feel like 20 is large enough to feel like a âfullâ raid.
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Then maybe they shouldnât have started playing Classic in the first place? #sigh.
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I think 40 man raids need to happen, however I am all for making them more difficult instead of a loot pinata.
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The real reason why there shouldnât be a 100% exp buff, or having one pushed early, is because FOTM rerollers wonât be sufficiently punished otherwise.
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Yup you ar right Lakeeffect, idk why thats is so hard for devs to understand. you DO NOT diminish the value of accomplishment(s) or make things easier to attain and expect to keep an active player base.
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umm⌠you realize that we come back for the CLASSIC seasons right? You realize that most people playing SoD are CLASSIC people right? Because Retail is pretty much dead, and the game after Wotlk is pretty much dead (even Wotlk is dead). Classic is what people come for, retail exists and is getting new content. Retail people should play retail, and leave classic to the classic people. If you want to play with us, play OUR game. If you want retail, go play retailâŚ
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we already know itâs not. ZG and AQ20 are not the same as the big boy raids.
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theyâre clearly doing the opposite. itâs all loot pinatas from here on out.
Yea they are that forgettable XD
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No one cares about mythic raiding⌠Almost no ones does it, but you almost cant loose in Raid finder raidsâŚ
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exactly, everything is gonna be like raid finder
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Extremely happy to see the shift to 20 player raids, and would love to see all of the 40 player raids tuned down to 20 as well. The logistics of recruiting for and managing 40 player raid team are daunting for more tight-knit guilds.
Regarding other raids: Given that SoD has provided us with a very large increase in player power, wonât it be necessary to make adjustments to BWL, AQ40, etc anyway? Might as well retune them to be 20 player raids as well while youâre at it.
We want to arrive at a place where, ideally, if your guild wants to strictly stick to a smaller raid team of 20 people the rewards are compelling enough that you donât feel âbehindâ a team focused on 40 player raiding.
Even if 20 player focused guilds are not losing out on gear by neglecting 40 player raids, I still think it would be a shame to miss out on the experience of running BWL in SoD.
Has there been any consideration toward just providing separate 20 player and 40 player versions, similar to 10/25 player variants in Wrath/Cata/MoP? Providing both options would be great, so that people who prefer 40 player raids can gravitate toward guilds that want to run those.
Question: Could we please have clarification on the lockout timer for the 20 player raids? Having raid resets fall on different days each week with 3-day lockouts makes organizing things very frustrating - I know a lot of folks would prefer 7-day lockouts for the consistency.
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flex raiding? oh godâŚ
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Anything more than a 25 man raiding and you will kill off smaller guilds. Mergers donât work normally. There is a reason you originally moved away from 40 man raids and anyone raiding gnomer and attempting to pug a healer in the process knows the same feeling of trying to field a 40 man team
Love you all so much, thank you for creating this new experience for an absolute pristine diamamond of a game. I believe this is the best thing that wow has produced ever. So much excitement in the mystery as well as the amazing responsiviness of your team! Might i suggest tier tokens to reduce the negative impact of unused tier drops. One oain point of classic i experienced was in 1 year of BWL we only got 1 drakefang talismen. I get prestigous rare loot, but that kind of blew my mind. Hopefully some mega end game crafting recipes as well. Love you all, keep up the good work. You are all heroes of the wow community each deserving an in game NPC to celebrate your Heroic status!!