I liked how in wotlk the gear basically progressed, and the same set got more and more detailed / badass. You can really see the progression on say, Rogue Relentless into Rogue Wrathful.
That was before elite sets though. You were rating gated, so only players able to break 2,000 rating had shoulders for example. but yeah. Good times.
I loved that part. xD
Thatâs a fair question. IMO you donât deserve that trophy unless you actually won it like everyone else did. You shouldnât be able to get it just by paying gold.
They already did that right?
From the warfronts? you get the same PVP Elite sets but different colors?
Someone correct me if Iâm wrong.
Would you happen to know the name of the recolor set?
You get it through the weekly 370 chest so it will take a while to collect unless you have a couple of plate users. Also getting the plate set horde also unlocks the alliance version of the piece.
Itâs a fair question, and applies to Naxx40 as well. Finishing Naxx40 in classic was an incredibly competitive environment, only about the top 1%-2% of us in the game managed it.
Yet they allow people to purchase T3 gear out of the BMAH. Thus, they allow people to buy for gold what people competed for.
All I am saying is that everything should be consistent between PvE and PvP.
If they are going to let people buy T3 for gold, then they ought to treat PvP the same.
The only compromise that I could come up with for bringing them back would be to treat them like how vicious mounts are now. You get the current season and then gain progress toward a token to then use on that class for an older set. No purchasing for gold, no BMAH, no marks of honor, etc.
Good thing Naxx wasnât removed after Classic, huh? Plenty of people pugged in it in TBC to get the rewards. With no âcompetitionâ as you are somehow saying applies to PvE.
Yeah, but Naxx was meant to be beaten: every raid encounter is a thrown fight, the player just needs to be able to take advantage of the openings presented to them. Just because 98% of the population didnât try doesnât change this.
People, on the other hand, donât often throw matches. They want to win.
To be fair (15/15 clear of Naxx 40 a few weeks before TBC, RIP my old account 
) looking back at Naxx and comparing it to todays raids there were only a few huge outliers and how the Classic version will be progressed differently.
-40 Man raid, can cause bad lag at time on some of the fights.
-Attunment was a pain to do.
-Limited useful websites and addons, not much theory crafting to my recall other that hey you fire mage spam fireball with ignite build.
-Dealing with other guilds so if we had a raid night we would all gather in SW to turn Onyxiaâs/Nefarions head (forget which one) for the buff so we all would benefit.
-Getting decent flasks ready and spending an arm and a leg for materials if we couldnât farm it that week.
Now looking at current WoW raids from Legion and BfA Naxx isnât that special were our current raids are more mechanic heavy with soaking etc and multiple phases. So I feel Naxx 40 will be significantly easier knowing stuff in hindsight were I think a larger % of players will complete it. Of course after many painful wipes on Saph 
As for the removal of it⌠Iâm against removing old raids/dungeons for a rework (Unless its like Onyxiaâs lair which drops the exact same transmog items for the most part). I would hope Blizz would introduce Zidormi in the old zones changed by the Cataclysm so we can go back in time, do old quests (shouldnât be hard where we have the Classic data now!) go back to Naxx 40 (Because I want Atiesh that I finished back in TBC! on my new account) and good old UBRS and other dungeons butchered by removals/reworks.
Ya on my old account I got Atiesh on my Mage right around Black Temple which was nice because we had a few people in the guild I was in who were starting a 2nd raid group to bring up an alt in case something happened and the Portal to Kara was useful.
This is a fair idea. I have an sp alt that I made for bfa. I recently saw what the legion elite pvp set looked like and loved it. I thought it would be fair that if one could unlock 1.8k or 2k (somewhere in there) then they have âprovenâ theyâre worthy and could gain access and purchase with gold.
However, no pve equivalent would exist really. I donât personally think that aotc is any where near the challenge of 1800+, so maybe on the pve side, you would have to beat a 10-12+ mythic to gain access to older raid gear. Thereâs all kinds of options and would add WAY more value to the gear, rather than walking in and 1-shotting an old boss
Not a real big fan of the plate set. Itâs a bit much on the yellow and blue and looks like a feathery spacesuit.
As someone that has two of the Elite Sets (BFA), and didnât bother with rated PvP too much in Legion (got bored of the game too quickly I guess), and with the Outlaw Rogue, Assassination Rogue, Havoc DH, and WW Monk Challenge Tower appearances (as well as the original Green Fire from back in MoP + Achievement), I wholeheartedly agree.
I brought that all up, b/c a lot of people try to invalidate that argument by falsely claiming that I simply donât have any exclusive things. I think that the achievements (Rival Season 2 etc.) should all remain exclusive, and that in the rare cases of a title being exclusive (i.e. Black Harvest), Iâm fine with that. But, visually, Iâd prefer to keep open my options.
Iâm glad that theyâve keep Green-Fire obtainable, and Iâd prefer it that they return the Elite gear from past seasons, in an interesting way. My suggestion was that it should be purchasable similar to the way BFA saddles work, thereâs a set you get this season, yet if you cap again you get a token to trade for an older one that you want, and that at the end of the expansion the ones available here will be expanded by those (the armors / mounts of THIS expansion remain locked until next expansion if you donât have them, to keep some âtimed exclusivityâ for the sake of ending some complaints).
My other thought was that in addition to costing a limited token requiring say Rival to be attained and grinding out a LOT of wins to get an older set, that it should take a bunch of honor tokens as well. God knows I have enough of them.
Yup and this is wrong. If you didnât earn it you shouldnât get it. I am annoyed at blizzard for doing this. Especially for gold as people can buy that. They should at the very least have to RNG farm it like people did back in the day.
Eh but theyâre not the same. Ones a scripted fight and ones not. However I would be more than down for them to make mythic appearances not farmable after the expansion was over. Allow people to go back and RNG farm the heroic sets to their hearts content.
If you donât put in the effort you shouldnât get it. It would give raid guilds a little bit if a boost because more people might make the attempt.
Uh, you know you had a sub 50% w/r in 3âs right?
Iâm only bringing that up, b/c in the ideal world it should require a 51% or higher w/r to rank up.
Says the level 11 alt. Classy. You know I was super undergeared for about half those games playing no voice randoms. Got some gear and met some decent gear and had 75% win rate when it mattered.
Thanks for the completely useless point though 
if you donât put in the effort to raid mythic now or get the elite set now it should be discontinued.
Maybe put in some work to get 120 and you could get it too?
Click on my character, and look at the actual armor and w/r I have in 2âs and 3âs, I carried an ilvl 330, thatâs about 140k hp, with 2/6 of their traits to 1700, and still hit 1800 in under 100 games with a 60% winrate
I have said armor in fact, Iâm wearing it in the picture which kinda makes the point clear that it is an armory bug referring to my level, and not that this toon, my third Paladin, one of my currently 9 max levels, among more than 25 110+ characters I might add, yeah though keep assuming that this toon, wearing a Mythic ToS transmog helm, which isnât available until level 98 at minimum visually, and the full Alliance Elite Plate Set for S2, yeah good point, definitely a level 11 with 60% w/r in 2âs.
Thanks though!
I thought the mail elite set looked damn good on a human so I grinded out the 1800 rating in 2s. Iâm personally conflicted on bringing elite sets back to be purchasable in future expansions, I know I felt a bit betrayed when they allowed the old PVP honor system armor sets to be transmogged without the feat of strength and tied it to rating in rated battlegrounds. (I had hit rank 11 back in vanilla so I wore the rank 10 armor proudly on my warrior)
But I like accessibility too which is why I like the sets from seasons past including during my break from WoW from MOP to BFA.
Iâm honestly leaning towards the elite sets being exclusive to the people who earned them in that season. Itâs honestly one of the few concepts of a journeyâs reward left in the game. Handing stuff out after the fact (like in a new expansion) just devalues the investment it took to get the stuff in the first place.
But thatâs how I see it, just an opinion. :3
/Sigh dude⌠Unlike you I donât care enough to look at someoneâs profile and judged them on a win rate that doesnât mean much congrats on all the carries though! You must be amazing! 
Still doesnât mean that old mythic sets and current elite sets should be available later. Just saying.