Nerf the lava damage into the ground on Lillian and fix it to where she doesn’t grip the whole raid WHILE LAVA IS STILL OUT and wipes you instantly. Then the fights fixed. Council needs to have the cast that puts dots on the whole raid not casted as much or put a cd on it when he teleports. For the beastmaster i agree take out the 1 shot, just make it do a lot of damage but not 1 shot people. I havn’t seen grand crusader as my guild is progging Lillian now.
Then turn the buff off, like you’ve always been able to. It’s coming irregardless.
Lillian’s lava damage is an integral part of the fight’s design. It’s meant to be a hazard that rewards precise positioning and punishes carelessness. If you’re having issues, the solution is to learn the positioning rather than expecting the damage to be reduced. A nerf here would dilute the intended challenge and take away from the risk-reward balance of the encounter.
While it’s true that having a raid-wide grip when lava is active can feel punishing, this issue is largely based on RNG—it isn’t a constant occurrence. Yes, it sucks when it happens, but it’s a rare scenario that underscores the importance of situational awareness. That said, it’s not unreasonable to consider slight tweaks if data shows it’s happening too frequently. Until then, mastering your movement and positioning is part of the challenge
The ability in question is fundamental to how the encounter is meant to challenge the raid. It forces players to manage damage over time and coordinate cooldowns effectively. This isn’t a design flaw but a deliberate mechanic meant to add tension and technique to the fight. Instead of calling for a nerf, the focus should be on adapting strategies to counter this mechanic rather than adjusting it.
The one-shot mechanic employed by the Beastmaster is a test of individual situational awareness and positioning. If you’re alert and positioned correctly, you can avoid the attack entirely. The mechanic isn’t overly punishing when played right—it’s a momentary test that rewards attentiveness. It’s not here to punish every misstep; it’s here to encourage focus and skill, making it a fair part of the encounter’s challenge.
The various points raised about nerfs to the Scarlet Enclave raid mechanics miss the larger picture. The challenges—whether it’s the lava damage, the raid-wide grip, the debuffing dots, or the one-shot mechanic—are all designed to encourage smarter, more coordinated play. Yes, frustrating moments occur, but they also serve as a nudge to improve your execution. Rather than crying for nerfs at every hiccup, embracing these mechanics and adapting your strategies will make the successes all the more rewarding. It’s time to stop whining and start mastering the fights.
You know that guy, Josh Greenfield? The Senior Game Dev for Classic? He said, verbatim, “After some time, we will allow you to gain a buff to make it easier (similar to ICC)”
He would know, I suppose.
Your statement
implies that the ICC buff will be a foregone conclusion—automatically coming into play regardless of conditions. In reality, the official wording is much more measured. As the blue post states:
Notice the phrase
is a clear indicator of conditionality—it’s not a promise, it’s an option that can be considered only if the situation calls for it. This isn’t a scenario where the buff is irrevocably on its way; instead, it’s a tool in the dev team’s arsenal that they’ll deploy if and when balancing data supports its use.
The mechanism is designed to help reduce difficulty progressively—a measured response to unforeseen challenges, not an automatic override to the intended design. The decision to enable the buff will be based on careful evaluation of how the raid is performing under real-world conditions, ensuring that any adjustment doesn’t trivialize the achievement of overcoming the raid’s challenges. So, while some might think “irregardless” means it’s a done deal, anyone familiar with these systems knows that such mechanisms are never turned on without due process.
Relying on a simplistic “it’s coming, so deal with it” attitude ignores the nuanced, conditional approach the devs have promised. It’s important to appreciate that while the capability exists, its activation is entirely dependent on feedback and demonstrated need—hard facts, not empty guarantees. This isn’t a toggle that’s been permanently flipped; it’s an option that may be used, not one that is forced upon players.
You haven’t even cleared Lillian with your 40 man group. Get off the forums and whatever chat ai you use and help your raid team clear the raid with all your wisdom.
The claim that the ICC buff is coming “irregardless” misses the nuance of what was officially stated. There’s no authoritative blue post that says the buff is a guaranteed, unconditional addition. In fact, the official wording reads:
Notice the key phrase: “we may elect to enable it in the future.” The word “may” denotes a conditional possibility, not a foregone conclusion. The developers have built in a mechanism similar to the ICC raid buffs—but they’re explicitly holding off on flipping the switch until gameplay conditions possibly dictate it.
So while some might lean on an alleged quote—attributing it to Josh Greenfield—to say that it’s coming no matter what, the real, verified communication clearly leaves room for judgment. The option exists, but it doesn’t mean it will be automatically turned on. Without a verified blue post that proves otherwise, relying on hearsay only undermines your credibility.
Christ dude - are you incapable of giving responses that aren’t AI-generated thesis?
It’s not that deep. He said in a BlueSky post that there WILL BE a BUFF coming at some point to make the raid easier.
Clearly they have plans on enabling an “easier mode” a little later. I’m sure they’ve just been observing and waiting for the final round of tuning and bug fixes to determine what the buff will look like.
More than likely there will be some sort of update to the raid with a toggle to make the bosses easier.
Again, if you do not like the idea of an easier mode in Scarlet Enclave, you can always toggle off the buff mechanism or whatever the hell it is.
Your argument falls apart before it even begins. My raid isn’t until Monday—not every group runs on Tuesday, you know? There are seven days in a week, and different teams have their own schedules. Just because I haven’t cleared Lillian yet doesn’t mean I won’t.
Meanwhile, you continue to hide behind a level 37 alt, avoiding any real accountability for your claims. Maybe instead of policing my raid schedule, you should focus on leveling up and actually contributing something meaningful to the discussion.
Your argument hinges on an unverified BlueSky post, which is not an official Blizzard blue post. While a developer may have made a statement there, it does not carry the same weight as an official Blizzard announcement.
The key phrase here is “we may elect to enable it in the future.” The word “may” is conditional—it does not confirm that the buff will be implemented, only that Blizzard has the option to do so if necessary. This is a far cry from the definitive “WILL BE a BUFF coming at some point” that you’re claiming.
Additionally, Blizzard has not announced any specific timeline for enabling an easier mode. Your assumption that they are simply waiting for tuning and bug fixes before flipping the switch is speculation, not fact. Until Blizzard releases an official statement confirming the buff will be activated, your claim remains unsubstantiated.
If you have an official blue post that explicitly states the buff will be turned on, feel free to provide it. Otherwise, relying on a BlueSky post as definitive proof weakens your credibility. Speculation is not confirmation.
Here’s a challenge for you dude. See if you can go an entire day without sounding like a pretentious Redditor when you respond on the forums. I bet more people would be willing to actually read the things you type.
Your entire statement is dripping with irony. You’re calling for less “pretentious” responses while throwing out insults yourself—completely contradicting your own supposed point. If you actually wanted more people to engage with the discussion, maybe you’d focus on constructive conversation rather than immediately resorting to passive-aggressive attacks every time you post.
Funny how every time you criticize someone, you have to tack on some kind of insult or attempt to be dismissive. At that point, it’s clear this isn’t about fostering better conversation—it’s just about trying to undermine people rather than debating the actual topic. If anyone needs a challenge, maybe it should be seeing if you can go a day without throwing out cheap shots.
Unverified BlueSky post? LMAO
He’s the actual head of the entire Classic WoW team. Are you saying that isn’t the real Josh Greenfield?
I think he would know more about the intentions of their development than you would.
I think you misunderstand what Blue Posts are for. Blizzard is notorious for not giving direct, set-in-stone answers on official forums until right before the patch goes live.
While Josh Greenfield may be a lead developer for Classic WoW, the fact remains that a BlueSky post is not an official Blizzard blue post. Official blue posts are released directly on Blizzard’s forums, patch notes, or news updates, carrying formal developer communication that represents the team’s stance. A statement made in a third-party social media space—even by a Blizzard developer—does not hold the same official weight.
If there is a formal blue post that definitively states the ICC buff will be enabled, rather than merely an option they may elect to activate, please provide it. Until then, relying on non-Blizzard sources for confirmation makes your argument weak. Speculation is not fact. Let’s stick to official sources rather than vague interpretations.
“A lead”
No, he’s the Senior Game Developer. That means he gets the final say in everything that happens with the project.
If he says something, beit on an official or personal platform, there is a good reason for it. I would tend to put more validity in something he says on a personal platform because he’s got a lot more freedom to what he can and can’t say.
While Josh Greenfield is indeed a Senior Game Developer, that does not mean he has unilateral control over every decision made for Classic WoW. Blizzard operates as a team, where major changes—especially something as impactful as an ICC-style raid buff—require approval from multiple departments, including game balance, design leads, and upper management.
Furthermore, all Blizzard employees, regardless of rank, must abide by a strict NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement). This means that even in personal spaces, developers are limited in what they can say publicly. Any statement made outside of official Blizzard communication channels—such as Blue Posts or Patch Notes—is not a definitive confirmation of upcoming changes. Even if Greenfield were to make speculative comments, they wouldn’t override the formal stance Blizzard has communicated.
So, while his insights may be valuable, they are not official policy unless Blizzard releases an actual Blue Post confirming it. Until we see that, speculation remains just that—speculation. If you have a verified Blue Post stating the buff will be enabled, feel free to share it. Otherwise, unofficial platforms aren’t concrete proof. Let’s stick to the facts rather than assumptions.
I’m actually impressed you’re able to type these responses so fast. Has anyone ever told you that you are exhausting to interact with?
Your comment is unintentionally amusing. You claim I’m exhausting to interact with, yet here you are—still engaging. If I were truly so unbearable, you’d have disengaged long ago instead of continuing to reply. Seems like you’re more invested than you want to admit.
Instead of fixating on how fast I type, maybe focus on actually discussing the topic rather than throwing out passive-aggressive remarks. If the conversation is tiring, there’s a simple solution: stop responding. Otherwise, spare me the theatrics.
It’s like talking to an actual AI chat bot. Your programmer did a great job!
He just plugs in your post into an ai chat bot and copy pastes its responses. Just call him a clown and put on ignore.
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