Please go back to the subject, at hand.
It is the fault of the people getting âscammedâ. We ALL have a part to play. You donât get a âfree passâ just because you think the system is âbadâ.
Thatâs not how society works
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Just another little tip: thereâs no need to place a word in quotes when you actually mean what the word means. Unless, of course, you are quoting someone. However, since weâve both have recently used the word, that sort of muddles what youâre trying to say.
Couchy
Yes, it does. We still have self responsibilities. Thereâs no blaming alcohol for getting you drunk. You get yourself drunk by consuming the alcohol.
Again, Iâm not taking âadviceâ, âtipsâ, âoffersâ, etc., from somebody who doesnât practice what they preach, thanks.
And yet we have dram shop laws, and prohibitions on what age people can be sold alcohol, and when, and how much. Because societies worldwide have decided that youâre wrongâŚ
I made the case of getting drunk is still on the person who drank too much. You canât blame the store for selling you the alcohol, when youâre of age with the appropriate money to pay for it.
And yet societies all over the world disagree.
And as someone who has run bars for years, ethically as well as legally you absolutely have a responsibility to serve responsibly
No, societies worldwide do not disagree that we donât blame stores for selling alcohol to somebody of appropriate age and correct payment who happened to get drunk. That still solely lies on the person consuming the alcohol.
There are some rare (but not a lot of cases) in blaming bars but not on stores. Unless the store is selling alcohol to minors (thatâs a different story). Not somebody who is of the correct age.
And, thatâs different than Stores. Stores are NOT the same Bars. Which is why I said STORE and NOT Bar because I figured you would go down the Bar route.
Legally youâre absolutely wrong. Ethically Iâd argue youâre wrong as well.
Youâre just 100% incorrect. I know weâre digressing but this is literally my industry.
Depends on the state, but typically there isnât even much distinction legally between on and off premise. And ethically there really isnât a distinction at all
I know Iâm not perfect, but I really do try to follow the rules of grammar and spelling.
Couchy
Youâre going to HAVE to explain why Iâm âwrongâ other than claiming that Iâm âjust wrongâ. Simply saying it, doesnât make it true.
Stores AND bars selling to minors is a big problem. Bars can get into trouble for overselling to an already drunk person.
Stores, on the other hand (which can get into trouble for selling to an already drunk person), cannot get into trouble for selling alcohol to a Sober person. The Alcoholic, while Sober can buy a simple a six pack from Store 1, do the same thing at Store 2 and Store 3. Itâs not like these Stores can inspect the personâs vehicle to make sure theyâre only taking 1 six pack home, with them. That Alcoholic goes home with three six packs. Thereâs no blaming the stores, in this case.
Ethical is subjective. Ethically speaking, I find it disgraceful to dissolve people of any personal responsibility, in this case the Alcoholic.
Neither am I.
Thatâs great! But, I think you should practice more on your âempathyâ.
Give me your state and Iâll look up the laws there specifically, but I know thatâs absolutely not the case here and we have pretty lax laws.
They can get into trouble for serving to a drunk person. Thatâs absolutely the same thing as
Thatâs literally saying that you have the responsibility to not sell to someone who appears to be intoxicated or similarly impaired. The only reason there isnât a limit on consumption is because unlike an on-premise establishment where drinks generally have to be consumed on the property, package alcohol can be drank over any period of time so thereâs no reasonable way to judge intent. I will often go in and buy hundreds of dollars of alcohol for an event from the store which is obviously quite different than buying hundreds of dollars in open alcohol that has to be drank in a limited time frame
I think you are referring to my statement that you and I are not friends. A statement that carried no emotional weight, it is simply a statement of fact. I cannot empathize with you if I do not share your emotion, since I do not know what emotion you are having. I am not friends with billions of people, youâre the only one that seems to have a problem with that.
Couchy
Do you mind going somewhere a bit more private than a Public Chat Forum, to get such information?
Correct, thatâs what I said.
No, itâs not the same thing. I LITERALLY just said the person of age and correct payment is SOBER. Thereâs no blaming Stores, when the person is SOBER and stockpiles their alcohol and THEN gets drunk!
Mhmm, and if they donât appear intoxicated nor similarly impaired, refusing to still provide service can get you into more trouble than what youâre trying to fear monger.
Mhmm, so how is the Store at fault?
No.
Sure. Okay.
Couchy
Pretty sure no one is going to stalk you based on which state you live in but nice try at the pearl-clutching.
What are you even talking about? We typically donât assign responsibilty where there is no reasonable way a person could have prevented an act so stop moving the goal posts. You said:
But as I demonstrated we absolutely do. In the case that the person was overserved in an on-premise establishment, or if theyâre drunk already in either. So you were just incorrect then, and youâre still incorrect now
Still incorrect. Pretty much every establishment that serves alcohol anywhere reserves the right to refuse service at any time for any reason (protected classes being the only exception.) If youâd EVER worked in, or really even been in, a bar a day in your life youâd know thatâŚ
Youâre trying to preach âempathyâ while historically and continuously proving how NOT âempatheticâ you really are. I showed you âempathyâ (not in this thread, but the other one), but you decided to be âunpleasantâ towards my âempathyâ. Now, I have no desire to show you anymore âempathyâ, until you start changing up your attitude. Until then, I have no desire to be âempatheticâ towards you.
Youâre free to think that, but I still have a personal responsibility to protect, myself, and Iâm not going to just openly hand out that information for all to see.
Thatâs fine, Iâm still going to protect, myself.
The topic.
EXACTLY!
You stop it.
No, you demonstrated an ALREADY drunk person, not a SOBER one.
Again, thatâs why I didnât say Bar.
And, I said that they were SOBER. âWho happened to get drunkâ IMPLIES the person was SOBER PRIOR to getting drunk.
No, you are.
And, I have. Refusing Service gets you into more trouble than what youâre trying to fear monger.
Citation needed
Iâm not posting where I live here, sorry.
The many times Iâve been written up, demoted and/or suspended for refusing service.
Back at ya.
âIâll take Things That Didnât Happen for $1000 Alexâ