Savage gladiator chain is not for hunters or meme specs

[Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Number of people who think everyone else is just an NPC whose only job is to facilitate them getting loot is too darn high,

[Ohshiftson-benediction]

@Zakiri-stalagg

Of course when rather than having balanced classes over half your raid consist of warriors and priests in almost every top guild it’s going to be harder to get loot.

It’s not about the number of people that share your class. There are legitimately that few upgrades from raids.

A significant portion of your BiS gear as a Warrior are items you obtain outside the raid.

@Zakiri-stalagg

That sounds fair- I assume that means you’re taking that rogue that passed truestrike shoulders to you and the hunter that let you take SGC in your raid then?

No?

Why are you presuming my answer is no? Just because they passed on an item they need in favor of someone else getting it first doesn’t mean they will never get the item, nor does it mean they aren’t invited to the raid. ???

Also, by “passed Truestrike Shoulders to you,” do you mean me as a Feral, because I passed on those to every single Rogue. If you mean passed them to a Warrior, Warriors do not want Truestrike Shoulders. Pre-raid BiS is Black Dragonscale Shoulders.

@Zakiri-stalagg

Then why if you’re not helping them get MC geared do you think they’re going to help you get their BIS in the dungeon you’re running?

That’s the main thing- you’re thinking about how they should help you get loot, but not returning the favour.

Uhh, but that’s the thing… if a Warrior gets SGC, he doesn’t need raid loot for that slot. A Hunter, by contrast, is going to get (and want to use) their T1 chest.

If a Hunter passed on SGC to a Warrior, you can still bring the Hunter along and give them the T1 chest. By contrast, if you give SGC to the Hunter, the Warrior goes in and gets nothing from MC, then the Hunter gets the T1 chest and replaces SGC anyway. See the problem?

@Zakiri-stalagg

And from what I’ve seen, if you are in a guild together and the hunter is coming with you to MC- they prob are passing SGC to you.

Oh, I see.

So your point is that if you’re not in a guild with someone, screw them for your own personal benefit.

So when I say:

@Ohshiftson-benediction

“Warriors shouldn’t be rolling on healing gear for their Diamond Flask set over healers.”

That’s only true if the healer is bringing the Warrior to the raid, otherwise it’s justified?

Funny that you’re the one that said this:

@Zakiri-stalagg

telling people to not be greedy

[Denalo-mankrik]

@Ohshiftson-benediction

The armor type doesn’t matter.

This is why i’m the best tank

You’re level 34. You’re no more a “tank” than anyone else at that level.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

If by “meta” you mean observable data proving that is far better for your group’s success, and by “following it like a lemming” you mean making a logical decision based on the data, then yeah.

I like you shift got no beef with you but You ever think,to read the entire sentence before passing judgement from on high?
i didn’t take you as the type of person to call dibs in a pug environment.
I’m not saying it’s sub par
i’m not saying it’s stupid to follow
I’m making fun of the people who act like pricks in random groups and manufacture loot drama due to an over inflated ego

let me put the rest of the post you clipped here and let you read it again,see if you catch on.

@Denalo-mankrik

no loot drama if it’s an upgrade roll for it and grats if you win it,ya’ll are such tryhards.

[Ohshiftson-benediction]

@Denalo-mankrik

i didn’t take you as the type of person to call dibs in a pug environment.

I’m not, but I believe the argument that some classes should pass on certain items in favor of other classes who get more/better use out of the item is valid.

It’s not so much “dibs” as the belief that any decent person who isn’t a Warrior should be passing on SGC if there is a Warrior who needs it, just as any decent Warrior should pass on healing gear if a healer needs it, and so on.

@Denalo-mankrik

I’m making fun of the people who act like pricks in random groups and manufacture loot drama due to an over inflated ego

I think you’re misinterpreting a totally logical viewpoint of prioritizing items to the objectively best DPS class in the game who will use that item for 5 out of 6 phases over a class that is marginally better than Mages in Phase 1, scales horribly and will barely improve over the course of the entire game, who will use that same item for not even 1 out of 6 phases.

@Denalo-mankrik

let me put the rest of the post you clipped here and let you read it again,see if you catch on.

This is why i’m the best tank, no loot drama if it’s an upgrade roll for it and grats if you win it,ya’ll are such tryhards.

I cut that part out because I don’t believe your loot philosophy makes you any better a tank. It seemed totally irrelevant to statement you were making.

Also, as far as I’m concerned, if you’re a person who is content to let anyone roll on something just because it’s an upgrade, regardless of other variables, I think you’re the worst person, not the best. The last thing I want is some numpty rolling on gear that he’ll replace immediately or won’t even use over someone who will use that item until they clear Naxxramas.

I just wanted to point out that no one really “tanks” at level 30. It could be a Mage holding aggro and it works just fine; arguably better due to their DPS relative to others at that level.

[Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers]

It’s all a moot point anyway because anyone farming SGC isn’t going to bring any competition with them.

[Ohshiftson-benediction]

@Denalo-mankrik

it’s not a faulty argument

I’m fairly certain arguing that because you can post something it is allowed is definitely a faulty argument.

I’m also fairly certain that taking a logical approach to loot ethics is not caused by “an inflated ego.”

@Denalo-mankrik

TIL being a decent human being is a faulty argument mind blown

I’m literally arguing in favor of being a decent person by passing on items that will see more and better use in the hands of someone else in exchange for returning the favor to other classes for items that THEY get more and better use out of:

@Ohshiftson-benediction

It’s not so much “dibs” as the belief that any decent person who isn’t a Warrior should be passing on SGC if there is a Warrior who needs it, just as any decent Warrior should pass on healing gear if a healer needs it, and so on.

You’ve seriously misrepresented my stance here, either deliberately, or because you misunderstood what I said.

@Denalo-mankrik

This is a video game we’re talking about not a life or death struggle.

I find these sorts of dismissive arguments to be really silly, honestly.

So what if it’s a video game? People are passionate about all sorts of things, video games included. When you’re competitive and take your hobby seriously, these things matter more, just as a model painter might care that you used way too much paint on the brush and ruined the finer detail of the model.

[Ellisande-pagle]

@Ohshiftson-benediction

It does, actually.

it doesn’t. you also can’t switch it out.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

but they shouldn’t be taking it over a Warrior who also needs it.

everyone deserves it equally, or no one does. either there isn’t a class hierarchy or there is, you can’t be some where in the middle.

[Karai-whitemane]

@Zakiri-stalagg

ITT- warriors that think all loot is warrior loot telling people to not be greedy and roll on warrior cloth/leather/mail/plate/staves/everything under the sun.

Warriors are the new Hunters.

[Tigolbidies-kelthuzad]

I’m so happy I don’t have to worry about this damn chest piece

[Funkflex-tichondrius]

Nobody has to worry about it, you can get a similar chest in pvp , 1% crit minus oh no. better lose sleep over it.

[Tigolbidies-kelthuzad]

The feel of even 1 more crit makes all the difference in the world. Besides it’s not like hunters are pumping raid leading damage.

Just shut up and tranq the damn boss while we go to work please.

[Ohshiftson-benediction]

@Ellisande-pagle

it doesn’t. you also can’t switch it out.

It does, and you’re correct, you can’t swap the trinket. You wouldn’t want to, anyway. When it’s available, it’s the best trinket available, currently.

@Ellisande-pagle

everyone deserves it equally, or no one does.

The obvious answer is no one deserves it equally, because the objective reality is that not everyone is equal. Not everyone plays the same class, puts in the same effort, performs the same, etc.

Some of it is relates to the player; some of it relates to the game. Not every class deserves every item equally. That’s utter nonsense.

@Ellisande-pagle

either there isn’t a class hierarchy or there is, you can’t be some where in the middle.

There absolutely is a class hierarchy. That was the whole point I was making, bud. I’m not sure why you think that was a valid response to what you were quoting.

I basically, in that sentence alone, argued that a Hunter shouldn’t take SGC over a Warrior. That is literally a class hierarchy.

@Funkflex-tichondrius

Nobody has to worry about it, you can get a similar chest in pvp , 1% crit minus oh no. better lose sleep over it.

Eh, while you’re at it, just don’t wear the best gear in any slot. Hell, why even wear gear at all?

Those minor increases add up to make a whole world of difference, especially in vanilla, and especially for a Fury Warrior who is so very dependent on critical strikes to deal high DPS.

[Ellisande-pagle]

@Ohshiftson-benediction

The obvious answer is no one deserves it equally

no, you misunderstood, either everyone has an equal chance at it, or no one should have a chance at it.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

It does

no, it doesn’t.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

There absolutely is a class hierarchy

then only warriors and priest deserve loot, only the best matter. by your own logic.

[Ohshiftson-benediction]

@Ellisande-pagle

no, you misunderstood, either everyone has an equal chance at it, or no one should have a chance at it.

That’s pretty dumb, though. So either every item is equal priority for literally every class and spec, or literally no one should get it?

That is beyond absurd.

@Ellisande-pagle

no, it doesn’t.

Okay, bud. Here’s video evidence of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUFmTS3Iy-8

@Ellisande-pagle

then only warriors and priest deserve loot, only the best matter.

Nope. Learn to read:

@Ohshiftson-benediction

“I will use this for the vast, vast majority of the game’s lifespan and you will replace this in the first raid, so please let me have it first since it’s so rare.”

@Ohshiftson-benediction

SGC isn’t for Hunters first . Every hunter should get SGC prior to raiding, but they shouldn’t be taking it over a Warrior who also needs it.

It’s not that they never get gear, bud; it’s that they have lower priority.

[Ellisande-pagle]

if a warrior deserves it over a hunter, then they deserve every piece of gear they can use over every other class that can use it. warriors are that important right? so warriors get geared over everyone else, but you have to have healers, no pallies or droods, they compete for warrior loots, so it’s got to be priests. this is the natural conclusion of your reasoning.

[Ohshiftson-benediction]

@Ellisande-pagle

if a warrior deserves it over a hunter, then they deserve every piece of gear they can use over every other class that can use it. warriors are that important right?

No. Again, you’re being ridiculous.

Please actually read what I said and stop trolling. The class priority for items depends on the item. Some items should go to Warriors because of how useful it is to them and how long they’ll use it; other items should go to other classes for the same reason.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

Warriors get SGC, Rogues get BoA, and Hunters get CotSM

@Ohshiftson-benediction

Warriors shouldn’t be rolling on healing gear for their Diamond Flask set over healers.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

any decent person who isn’t a Warrior should be passing on SGC if there is a Warrior who needs it, just as any decent Warrior should pass on healing gear if a healer needs it, and so on.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

SGC isn’t for Hunters first .

@Ellisande-pagle

but you have to have healers, no pallies or droods, they compete for warrior loots

/facepalm

@Ohshiftson-benediction

Also, you forgot that you need a Druid, a Mage, 2-3 Hunters, 4 Paladins, a Druid, and a Warlock.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

any decent person who isn’t a Warrior should be passing on SGC if there is a Warrior who needs it, just as any decent Warrior should pass on healing gear if a healer needs it, and so on.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

Warriors shouldn’t be rolling on healing gear for their Diamond Flask set over healers.

@Ellisande-pagle

this is the natural conclusion of your reasoning.

No it isn’t. You have completely lost the plot, because that isn’t anywhere close to what I’ve argued, at all.

[Septicflesh-arugal]

Still going strong I see lol.

[Ellisande-pagle]

I am not being ridiculous or trolling, if you are going to be treated as lesser than another class, why even play. if I as a hunter couldn’t gear until all the warriors and rogues had every piece they wanted (because we would be competing over every item besides the pretriied leaf and tier) why would I even want to group with these people?

@Ohshiftson-benediction

any decent person

this is entirely subjective, any decent person should want gear distributed equally, not equitably. or are warriors just more equal?

@Ohshiftson-benediction

SGC isn’t for Hunters first .

might as well be “SGC isn’t for Hunters.” full stop. because there is always going to be a warrior that wants it.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

Also, you forgot that you need a Druid, a Mage, 2-3 Hunters, 4 Paladins, a Druid, and a Warlock.

every raid in the entirety of the vanilla game can be completed with just warriors and priests.

@Ohshiftson-benediction

No it isn’t. You have completely lost the plot, because that isn’t anywhere close to what I’ve argued, at all .

it is though, if there is a hierarchy in gearing, why bring anything but the best. it’s an all or nothing situation.

[Vol-faerlina]

@Ohshiftson-benediction

That wasn’t the point, bud. The point is that you’re not going to get anything decent when raiding as a meme spec in a competitive guild (assuming you even get into such a guild as a meme spec in the first place).

That is literally the point as made by OP.

The title of the thread is “Savage gladiator chain is not for hunters or meme specs”

[Sillac-heartseeker]

meme spec
required for bosses in every raid tier

Pick one