Was it really necessary to force Saurfang to collaborate with Warcraft's spiritual liege, the pinnacle of Human Potential and non-toxic masculinity Anduin Wrynn to oust Sylvanas?
You know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
How can Blizzard expect us to be happy with Sylvanas' replacement when he's irreparably damaged by this? This is the last thing you would want to do if you want Horde players to warm up to Saurfang.
11/02/2018 07:09 PMPosted by ReesespiecesYou know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
*ahem* Sylvannas has no obligation to 'honorably duel' Saurfang. If he were to announce his intent, Nathanos would likely make him swiss cheese while Silvy reanimates him to make him jump from the highest point in Hyjal over and over again.
Agreed. That's been my biggest problem since the beginning with this whole storyline. They're obviously setting up Sylvanas to be deposed a la Garrosh, but who do they pit against her? Saurfang? You're supposed to see Sylvanas as a villain and to actively want to rebel against her but they pick a cowardly suicidal traitor who conspires with the Alliance? And his teenage meme sidekick who has been in one battle.
Even as a Sylvanas fan, I feel bad for you guys.
...At least it's not Baine?
Even as a Sylvanas fan, I feel bad for you guys.
...At least it's not Baine?
11/02/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Panoptes11/02/2018 07:09 PMPosted by ReesespiecesYou know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
*ahem* Sylvannas has no obligation to 'honorably duel' Saurfang. If he were to announce his intent, Nathanos would likely make him swiss cheese while Silvy reanimates him to make him jump from the highest point in Hyjal over and over again.
Great, and then she loses the entire Horde's respect and obedience. Blackhand wasn't eager to accept, but he had to.
He's got a nose like a witch.
Burn him! Burn him!
Burn him! Burn him!
11/02/2018 07:18 PMPosted by Reesespieces11/02/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Panoptes...
*ahem* Sylvannas has no obligation to 'honorably duel' Saurfang. If he were to announce his intent, Nathanos would likely make him swiss cheese while Silvy reanimates him to make him jump from the highest point in Hyjal over and over again.
Great, and then she loses the entire Horde's respect and obedience. Blackhand wasn't eager to accept, but he had to.
Blackhand, an orc, had to. Sylvanas, an undead elf, is bound by no such obligation.
If she thought Saurfang would turn traitor, she would kill him and raise him to make an example. She is not bound by orcish honor like Blackhand was. She even threatened to raise him in the horde version of the siege of undercity. She has no honor.
11/02/2018 07:24 PMPosted by Rustyus
Blackhand, an orc, had to. Sylvanas, an undead elf, is bound by no such obligation.
If she thought Saurfang would turn traitor, she would kill him and raise him to make an example. She is not bound by orcish honor like Blackhand was. She even threatened to raise him in the horde version of the siege of undercity. She has no honor.
Mak'gora and it's associated aspects are institutionalized in the Horde. They're now Horde concepts, not Orcish ones.
Also lol @ Blackhand having honor. He was basically forced into the mak'gora
11/02/2018 07:09 PMPosted by ReesespiecesYou know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
Let's not forget Cairne stood up to Garrosh, too. The fact he died was just that Grimtotem's fault.
If you got a problem with your warchief, you challenge him or her in the face. You don't conspire with the Alliance.
I mean, if I were in Saurfang's shoes I'd have been pretty upset at burning Teldrassil for seemingly no reason. The reason made sense to Sylvanas, but it was a horrible thing to do. He tolerated her for awhile, but this was essentially the breaking point for him. Everyone has one of those.
My favorite character in the game is Sylvanas, but...I find myself siding with Saurfang. He has every right to be upset, maybe haunted by her actions. It's also difficult to deal with someone as "balls to the wall" as Sylvanas is when she's on a war path. When Sylvanas sees red, she will stop at nothing until everyone she has targeted lies dead...or is twisted into Forsaken.
My favorite character in the game is Sylvanas, but...I find myself siding with Saurfang. He has every right to be upset, maybe haunted by her actions. It's also difficult to deal with someone as "balls to the wall" as Sylvanas is when she's on a war path. When Sylvanas sees red, she will stop at nothing until everyone she has targeted lies dead...or is twisted into Forsaken.
11/02/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Panoptes11/02/2018 07:09 PMPosted by ReesespiecesYou know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
*ahem* Sylvannas has no obligation to 'honorably duel' Saurfang. If he were to announce his intent, Nathanos would likely make him swiss cheese while Silvy reanimates him to make him jump from the highest point in Hyjal over and over again.
Saurfang would of at least died with honor. Now he is a dishonorable traitor. That would of been a more admirable fate.
And she would of lost the horde for it.
Yawn. The Kid left the door open for him and he walked through. Did he give him an army? Nope. Did he give him a undefeatable weapon to wield? Nope.
All the Kid gave him was an opportunity. Freedom.
And that scares the Lich Queen so much that she sends assassins after him under the disguise of a rescue mission.
Very honorable.
Anduin did not tell him what to do. They both simply have the same goal. Eliminate Sylvanus and stop the war before Azeroth bleeds dry.
All the Kid gave him was an opportunity. Freedom.
And that scares the Lich Queen so much that she sends assassins after him under the disguise of a rescue mission.
Very honorable.
Anduin did not tell him what to do. They both simply have the same goal. Eliminate Sylvanus and stop the war before Azeroth bleeds dry.
Sylvanas wouldn't abide by it.
11/02/2018 07:09 PMPosted by ReesespiecesWas it really necessary to force Saurfang to collaborate with Warcraft's spiritual liege, the pinnacle of Human Potential and non-toxic masculinity Anduin Wrynn to oust Sylvanas?
You know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
How can Blizzard expect us to be happy with Sylvanas' replacement when he's irreparably damaged by this? This is the last thing you would want to do if you want Horde players to warm up to Saurfang.
11/02/2018 07:11 PMPosted by Panoptes11/02/2018 07:09 PMPosted by ReesespiecesYou know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
*ahem* Sylvannas has no obligation to 'honorably duel' Saurfang. If he were to announce his intent, Nathanos would likely make him swiss cheese while Silvy reanimates him to make him jump from the highest point in Hyjal over and over again.
Sounds a lot better than MoP 2.0.
Ever hear the saying "The enemy of my enemy is my ally"?
Probably not. Warmongering alphas pretty much never understand the art of war.
Probably not. Warmongering alphas pretty much never understand the art of war.
I mean, if I were in Saurfang's shoes I'd have been pretty upset as burning Teldrassil for seemingly no reason.And he should have challenged her right then and there if he had a problem with how she does things.
I dunno if you guys have noticed, but the majority of the horde's forces are made up of the "traditional horde" races. If Sylvanas refused a Mak'gora, she would likely lose her position as effective warchief in that very moment.
But I guess Saurfang was too busy being a whiny, suicidal coward to consider that option. Now he's just a straight up traitor to the horde, likely bent on killing our leader....which y'kno, is totally good for business.
11/02/2018 07:43 PMPosted by LunavaleI mean, if I were in Saurfang's shoes I'd have been pretty upset as burning Teldrassil for seemingly no reason.And he should have challenged her right then and there if he had a problem with how she does things.
I dunno if you guys have noticed, but the majority of the horde's forces are made up of the "traditional horde" races. If Sylvanas refused a Mak'gora, she would likely lose her position as effective warchief in that very moment.
But I guess Saurfang was too busy being a whiny, suicidal coward to consider that option. Now he's just a straight up traitor to the horde, likely bent on killing our leader....which y'kno, is totally good for business.
Sylvanas would have probably put an arrow in him the second he challenged her, tbh. No traditional formalities, just...one and done. Or would have told Nathanos to "take care of it". She was not in the mood for games.
11/02/2018 07:40 PMPosted by SarcasmicSylvanas wouldn't abide by it.11/02/2018 07:09 PMPosted by ReesespiecesWas it really necessary to force Saurfang to collaborate with Warcraft's spiritual liege, the pinnacle of Human Potential and non-toxic masculinity Anduin Wrynn to oust Sylvanas?
You know what Doomhammer did when he had a problem with his Warchief? Challenged him to Mak'gora and crushed his skull. He didn't moan and complain to Lothar and Llane.
How can Blizzard expect us to be happy with Sylvanas' replacement when he's irreparably damaged by this? This is the last thing you would want to do if you want Horde players to warm up to Saurfang.
Why would she not ?
She will crush him in a duel within 2 secs . And no, magic is not disallowed in Mak’gora. That was only in the movie and not cannon.
They were at the Battle for Lordaeron when Sylvanas used the blight to kill both Horde and Alliance. They were on the run from the alliance. Saurfang and Sylvanas had no time for mak'gora, a duel, in the losing battle for Lordaeron.
I found this info on the blight that was used.
The New Plague,[1][2] also known as the Forsaken Blight[citation needed] and the Blight[3] or blight is the Forsaken's altered version of the powerful Plague of Undeath, which led to the creation of the Undead Scourge. The Plague of Undeath had the effect of transforming normal humans into mindless undead in the service of the tyrannical Lich King. Some members of the Forsaken, including their queen Sylvanas Windrunner, were once pawns of the Lich King, but were later freed. The Forsaken's aim is to create a new plague that would annihilate the Scourge itself, and ultimately, during the Northrend campaign, this is successful. However, the Forsaken's plague was usurped by the treacherous Grand Apothecary Putress, who proceeded to unleash it upon the Scourge, the Alliance and even the Horde. As such, the Forsaken's allies have deemed it unethical to be used again at its full potency.
Source: https://wow.gamepedia.com/New_Plague
I found this info on the blight that was used.
The New Plague,[1][2] also known as the Forsaken Blight[citation needed] and the Blight[3] or blight is the Forsaken's altered version of the powerful Plague of Undeath, which led to the creation of the Undead Scourge. The Plague of Undeath had the effect of transforming normal humans into mindless undead in the service of the tyrannical Lich King. Some members of the Forsaken, including their queen Sylvanas Windrunner, were once pawns of the Lich King, but were later freed. The Forsaken's aim is to create a new plague that would annihilate the Scourge itself, and ultimately, during the Northrend campaign, this is successful. However, the Forsaken's plague was usurped by the treacherous Grand Apothecary Putress, who proceeded to unleash it upon the Scourge, the Alliance and even the Horde. As such, the Forsaken's allies have deemed it unethical to be used again at its full potency.
Source: https://wow.gamepedia.com/New_Plague
11/02/2018 07:51 PMPosted by KentaurusSylvanas would have probably put an arrow in him the second he challenged her, tbh. No traditional formalities, just...one and done. Or would have told Nathanos to "take care of it". She was not in the mood for games.
And that would have been good for Saurfang. He gets his honorable death (defending the Horde rightly) and Sylvanas loses the Horde's respect for not respecting Mak'Gora's rules.
11/02/2018 07:59 PMPosted by WrizbyThey were on the run from the alliance. Saurfang and Sylvanas had no time for mak'gora, a duel, in the losing battle for Lordaeron.
Plenty of time between Teldrassil and Lordaeron's fight. Mak'Gora's don't last that long.
Sylvanas doesn't have orc honor so any challenge would be met with a smirk and an ambush of some kind.
Saurfang has honor right now horde has none but the Alliance still has theirs...
It's Garrosh all over again except Garrosh wanted to make the world a better place
Saurfang has honor right now horde has none but the Alliance still has theirs...
It's Garrosh all over again except Garrosh wanted to make the world a better place