There was an interview, I think with Taliesin and Evitel at Blizzcon where the writer said that is only one of many possible futures, so we can’t even rely on the comic being canon anymore.
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So… that comic could be well bit of A lie? Well then… this worry me more how this war will end… great… Please I all ready hurt they taken so many good char off the horde to fill with this rabble of the horde… Just enough and have her dethrone all ready.
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You can say blind faith, but Judging everything we’ve seen. Saurfang’s story isn’t anything like Vol’jin. Saurfang willingly disobeyed multiple orders and forced other actions to be taken that further dismayed him.
- Refuses to kill Malfurion; Sylvanas makes another move to break the Alliance
- Refuses to join the defense against the Alliance in Lordaeran; the Horde is pushed back and Sylvanas takes drastic measures (Saurfang is captured as a prisoner of war.)
- Refuses to join the extraction party that invaded Stormwind; Strikes a deal with the Alliance to stop Sylvanas and is dutifully listed as a traitor for aiding the Alliance.
Saurfang’s actions are nothing like Vol’jin. Vol’jin served Garrosh honorably even against his better judgement. When he was stabbed in the throat; it was done by a plot set up to route out dissent. Vol’jin was betrayed and forced into exile (Assumed dead by the Horde.)
Suarfang willingly betrays the Horde before action is taken against him. His refusal to return to the Horde is a clear turncoat. He’s also a dangerous target to be used if the alliance extract information. If he refuses to return to the Horde; Killing him will remove a loose end.
Take into account that its CLEAR AS DAY the Alliance is helping Saurfang out. Mathias Shaw paved a yellow brick road for Saurfang to safely leave Stormwind’s territory and forces. This only looks worse that Saurfang is parleying with the enemy the Horde is at war with.
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I could have told you that
No one associated with the horde of savages is a hero.
If Sylvanas wanted Malfurion dead, she should have just done it herself instead of passing the buck and expecting someone who clearly had a conscience to do it for her, like a petty mob boss.
Then what the hell is this?
Mindless loyalty is only for servile slaves and morons. Real men think for themselves, rather than being told when to wipe or fart or sleep.
So was Saurfang. They thought he died in the battle, but he was taken as a prisoner.
There’s no point in being loyal to a murderous dictator.
Why do you care? You’re a ****ing Gnome! You should be glad.
So, all of those German and British soldiers who celebrated Christmas together during WWII should have just been shot? Parleying with an enemy is not weakness. It is a show of respect to your foe. You are willing to talk with them, and understand them. You are willing to see them as an equal. Parleying is especially necessary in a war, as without it, it means you slaughter the foe without any recompense. If they aren’t willing to show respect, and cut a deal to save innocent lives, why should you hold back if they will not?
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Elegy: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/elegy
The PDF has page numbers, but you can find the quoted text easily enough in the web version.
Elegy, page 82:
Elegy page 88:
Anyone claiming this wasn’t a huge blow to the Night Elves, that this was not a genocide, will need to argue against Blizzard. They wrote it as such. They intended this to almost wipe out the entire Night Elven population. The story of Azeroth continues with almost no Night Elves, “too few” of them remain.
The War of Thorns is the sunset of the Night Elves. They’re almost entirely gone now.
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While your post is spot on, that was WWI. In 1914, before the true horror of the Somme was revealed, there was still some humanity left in the war.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zxsfyrd
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It wasn’t Sylvanas who did that. It was Lilian Voss.
Saurfang wasnt betrayed, nor forced into exile. He choose to make a stand which we thought it was to make a warriors death, but from the Stockades cutscene it turned out he made a stand so he could ensure Anduins safety and conspire with him to take down Sylvanas.
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saurfang is a traitor and im actually very annoyed that i am forced to side with this scum. should have just executed him and been done with it
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Well, it took less than 20 minutes of reading and perusing this thread to find out the following:
1: Who would blindly follow red (like a bull) to hell.
2: Who will be getting forum vacations once moderators file back into the office after the holidays.
I also worry about Warcraft Reforged as well. What can they possibly retcon or rewrite in that as well ![:frowning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=6" ":frowning:")
The choices we had were essentially “pick a poison”.
Our warchief.
Or a an orc who literally quit. Went to go rot in a cell. A supposed hero of the horde left his people to die.
Do we choose the warchief who is fine with killing her own people? Or the orc who abandons his people to continue being killed by alliance and horde?
I’ll just join a neutral faction - thanks.
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I think when you have spent a lifetime fighting for something larger than yourself in this case saurfang has given everything to the idea of “the Horde”
if anyone had put as much blood sweat and tears into something only to see its core foundation rotted and corrupted by in this case sylvannas with her less than honorable methods, I think you would be capable of doing just about anything to restore it and you would be able to justify any means of obtaining it because in saurfangs mind there is nothing he could do that would bring him lower than sylvannas
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In the end the real problem is the story and the characters that were choosen at it’s center. While i don’t think anyone could mistake Sylvanas cold tactical anything goes leadership, writing her off as a crazy murder just for the fun of it, doesn’t match up with her character. She has plans that no one knows about and shady deals with anyone that she feels she can use to meet her end goal. i believe that she does have “good” intensions for the Horde to survive long term and the getting there at any cost much like Lilidan way for thinking. While yes i agree that how you reach the goal is just as important as the goal it self, She has made her self very clear on what she thinks about the orcs honor and such. She has many time told the other leaders, i’m doing it this way do as you like. But in the end most just followed her lead.
Saurfang character doesn’t seem to match any more. More like he a different character. I think if he had challenge Sylvanas at the end of the battle of undercity and was left for dead and then was recused by Anduin, i might be more in cline to side with him. But basically Sylvanas said do as you want and left it to him and instead he abandon the Horde in the hope he would have a honorable death. But when he didn’t die he just side with the Alliance and were expected to revolt and form the secret horde under ground and work to destable the horde to remove Sylvanas from warchief all secret like? I’m sorry but i think the whole story is garage and doen’t feel horde like at all. i’m hoping Blizzard learn from Garrosh blunder and isn’t going to repeat it. But as of right now i feel Sylvanas has been more straight forward and true to character than Saurfang.
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Correct, he is a war criminal.
In the Horde side of the novella, it literally says that Saurfang forced Sylvanas to burn the tree because Malfurion and Tyrande alive meant the Horde would not be able to hold Teldrassil like they were planning. They wanted to control Teldrassil’s supply line, not destroy it.
And sure, Sylvanas didn’t like what Delaryn told her, but she didn’t burn the tree just to spite her. Far, far from it. She thought this invasion through, Saurfang ruined it, and he even admits it in the very same novella. It’s part of his guilt.
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Nature and Fire Damage, two damage types, one dark ranger ain’t spell locking me out of two things. She’s gonna fry.
I wish more people read this. As I get so annoyed by people that keep shouting Sylvanas did it because she got triggered.
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Really? So the novellas says Saurfang forced Sylvanas to burn the tree…yet the cinematic clearly showed Delaryn made her triggered?
Welp…guess I found more folks who will blindly follow red to hell…both in-game and out-of-game…
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